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Remplacement des F-16 en Belgique

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Paul
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Remplacement des F-16 en Belgique

Message par Paul le Mer 14 Jan 2015 - 18:37

Voici une étude de la Défense belge sur l'éventuel remplacement des F-16

https://www.mil.be/sites/mil.be/files/files_library/140602_accap_-_preparation_survey_-_final_v2.pdf

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Re: Remplacement des F-16 en Belgique

Message par Poncho (Admin) le Mer 14 Jan 2015 - 21:46

Merci Paul
2023 ? avec capacité complète 2029 -> Aller banco JSF


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Paul
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Re: Remplacement des F-16 en Belgique

Message par Paul le Mer 19 Avr 2017 - 15:40

Boeing se retire, l'appel d'offres n'est pas "fair" selon eux. Ça sent le F-35A.

"We regret that after considering the request we did not see the opportunity to compete with fair playing rules with the Super Hornet F/A-18," the company added, describing the aircraft as "extremely capable" for its cost effectiveness.

http://airrecognition.com/index.php/archive-world-worldwide-news-air-force-aviation-aerospace-air-military-defence-industry/global-defense-security-news/global-news-2017/april/3408-boeing-withdraws-from-belgium-s-f-16-fighter-replacement-competition.html
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Re: Remplacement des F-16 en Belgique

Message par Beochien le Mer 19 Avr 2017 - 15:47

Si le F-18 avait eu une chance, le Rafale (Muet, hum!) et l'Eurofighter eux aussi, c'est le même bateau techno ... 
Aprés, il reste le F-35, qui va crever le plafond budgetaire, et le Gripen, monomoteur lui aussi, qui va faire un trou , mais dans le plancher ...

Belgium approved in last December the purchase of 34 new fighter aircraft to be acquired from Spring 2018 for an amount of 3,573 billion euros.
Only four platforms are still competing: Lockheed Martin’s F-35A stealth fighter, the Rafale F3R from Dassault Aviation, the Eurofighter Typhoon proposed by the eponym European consortium, and the JAS 39E/F Gripen manufactured by the Swedish company Saab.
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Re: Remplacement des F-16 en Belgique

Message par Poncho (Admin) le Jeu 20 Avr 2017 - 0:11

Le Gripen c'est un M-2000 ++, pas de raison que ça n'aille pas aux Belges

Après faut voir ce que les voisins du nord peuvent fournir comme aide pour le F*35


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Re: Remplacement des F-16 en Belgique

Message par Beochien le Jeu 20 Avr 2017 - 10:03

Le trou dans le plancher, hum, je parlais prix ! Surtout vs le F-35, ce sera la moitié  Razz
Le Gripen est parfait pour les Belges !
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Philidor
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Re: Remplacement des F-16 en Belgique

Message par Philidor le Jeu 20 Avr 2017 - 14:23

Beochien a écrit:Le Gripen est parfait pour les Belges !
C'est sûr que le relief pose moins de problèmes qu'en Suisse ...
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Paul
Whisky Quebec

Re: Remplacement des F-16 en Belgique

Message par Paul le Lun 26 Mar 2018 - 0:38

un journaliste a calculé le coût d'acquisition du Rafale pour la Belgique

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/combien-couterait-%25C3%25A0-letat-belge-lacquisition-et-la-mise-fabrice-wolf/

...l’offre française aurait donc un impact budgétaire positif, les recettes générées dépassant les dépenses, possession incluse. A noter que le modèle proposé est un modèle par défaut : la durée de vie des Rafales sera très supérieur à 20 ans, les emplois indirects seront très certainement supérieur à 50%, etc
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Re: Remplacement des F-16 en Belgique

Message par Poncho (Admin) le Lun 26 Mar 2018 - 9:27

Merci

Ce sont des F-16 MLu à remplacer... si L-M sent que ça pue pour son F-35 ils ont la carte modernisation à jouer aussi


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Laurent Simon
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Re: Remplacement des F-16 en Belgique

Message par Laurent Simon le Lun 26 Mar 2018 - 16:06

On n'en est pas encore là, à mon avis.
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Re: Remplacement des F-16 en Belgique

Message par Poncho (Admin) le Lun 26 Mar 2018 - 22:39

En fait on ne sait pas trop où ils en sont ?
Enfin ils auront les MRTT c'est déjà ça

Il ont du F-16a et b
C'est cette version


F-16AM/BM Block 20 MLU[edit]

In 1989 a two-year study began regarding possible mid-life upgrades for the USAF's and European Partner Air Forces' (EPAF's) F-16A/Bs. The resulting F-16 Mid-Life Update (MLU) package was designed to upgrade the cockpit and avionics to the equivalent of that on the F-16C/D Block 50/52; add the ability to employ radar-guided air-to-air missiles; and to generally enhance the operational performance and improve the reliability, supportability and maintainability of the aircraft. Aircraft receiving this set of updates are designated F-16AM or F-16BM.
Development began in May 1991 and continued until 1997; however, the USAF withdrew from the MLU program in 1992, although it did procure the modular mission computer for its Block 50/52 aircraft.[18][19]
The first of five prototype conversions flew on 28 April 1995, and installation of production kits began in January 1997. The original plans called for the production of 553 kits (110 for Belgium, 63 for Denmark, 172 for the Netherlands, 57 for Norway, and 130 for the USAF), however, final orders amounted to only 325 kits (72 for Belgium, 61 for Denmark, 136 for the Netherlands, and 56 for Norway). The EPAFs redesignated the F-16A/B aircraft receiving the MLU as F-16AM/BM, respectively. Portugal later joined the program and the first of 20 aircraft was redelivered on 26 June 2003, with another 20 going through the update incountry at this time. In recent years, Chile, Jordan, and Pakistan have purchased surplus Dutch and Belgian F-16AM/BM for their air forces.[19]
Development of new software and hardware modifications continues under the MLU program. The M3 software tape was installed in parallel with the Falcon STAR structural upgrade to bring the F-16AM/BM up to the standards of the USAF's Common Configuration Implementation Program (CCIP). A total of 296 M3 kits (72 for Belgium, 59 for Denmark, 57 for Norway, and 108 for the Netherlands) were ordered for delivery from 2002–2007; installation is anticipated to be completed in 2010. A M4 tape has also been developed that adds the ability to use additional weapons and the Pantera targeting pod; Norway began conducting flying combat operations in Afghanistan with these upgraded aircraft in 2008. A M5 tape is in development that will enable employment of a wider array of the latest smart weapons, and the first aircraft upgraded with it are due to be delivered in 2009. In 2015 tape M7 was implemented.[19]

Mais ils peuvent peut-être les moderniser


F-16V Viper[edit]

On 15 February 2012, Lockheed Martin unveiled a new version of their F-16 at the 2012 Singapore Airshow.[25] The F-16V will feature enhancements including an AN/APG-83 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, an upgraded mission computer and architecture, and improvements to the cockpit – all capabilities identified by the U.S. Air Force and several international customers for future improvements. The new variant is dubbed the "Viper," which is intended to better operate with fifth-generation fighters, and should not be confused with Lockheed's F-16IN "Super Viper," which was offered to India for the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft competition and showcased at the 2009 Aero India Air Show.[26] "The new F-16V will become the new F-16 baseline," said George Standridge, Lockheed Martin Aeronautics' vice president of business development. The "Viper" program does not include the F-16 Block 60 features. On 16 October 2015 the F-16V flew for the first time with an APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam Radar AESA, a new Center Pedestal Display, a modernized mission computer, Automatic Ground Collision Avoidance System, and many other upgrades. This can be fitted on new production F-16s or retrofitted on existing ones.[27] The first of these were for the RoCAF's (Taiwan) F-16A/B Block 20s. The upgrade of its 144 aircraft fleet started in January 2017 and is expected to complete by 2023.[28]
South Korea also plans to upgrade 134 of its F-16 fleet to F-16V by November 2025. [29]
In September 2017, the US State Department has approved a Foreign Military Sale to Bahrain for 19 new F-16V and upgrade its 20 existing F-16 block 40 to F-16V. [30] Oct. 17, 2017, US approved the sale of 123 upgrade kits to Greece to bring their existing F-16C and D fighter jets up to the new F-16V standard.[31]

En fait, ils y a encore de l'eau sous la quille des F-16 à priori
Ce n'est pas le meilleur avion du monde mais c'est un avion qu'ils savent exploiter les belges


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Re: Remplacement des F-16 en Belgique

Message par Poncho (Admin) le Lun 26 Mar 2018 - 22:53

Beaucoup de détail sur le F-16 MLU

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article2.html

Pour des engagements type Sahel ou Deash, les F-16 c'est largement bon
Pour faire face à la Chine ou à la Russie, on compte sur les potes Yankee ?


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Paul
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Re: Remplacement des F-16 en Belgique

Message par Paul le Mar 27 Mar 2018 - 0:03

Parait que Skunk Works prépare un F-16 avec un réacteur à fusion....
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Paul
Whisky Quebec

Re: Remplacement des F-16 en Belgique

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Re: Remplacement des F-16 en Belgique

Message par Poncho (Admin) le Mar 27 Mar 2018 - 8:23

Je me suis dit que c'était le premier avril

Ici pas loin de chez moi on construit ITER pour un gros paquet de milliards... Et ce n'est pas portable ( l'itinéraire d'accès à grand gabarit fait passer celui pour les pièces d'a380 pour une blague)


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