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Paul
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Re: Mistubishi MRJ

Message par Paul le Lun 6 Sep 2010 - 15:19

Bonjour,

Ils ont remplacé la soute par un compartiment avionique :



Peut-être que ce sera assez pour compenser le poids des bagages...

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Whisky Charlie

Re: Mistubishi MRJ

Message par Poncho (Admin) le Lun 6 Sep 2010 - 15:35

La config est similaire au CRJ qui en plus à les moteurs aux fesses...
C'est vrai que les Turboprop ont les bagages à l'avant...

aeroduO5
Whisky Quebec

Re: Mistubishi MRJ

Message par aeroduO5 le Lun 6 Sep 2010 - 15:51

Je ne pense pas que cette configuration pose un problème d'équilibrage.
C'est simplement une question de paramétrage des logiciels.

De plus comme l'a dit Poncho les réacteurs sont sous les ailes donc le poids
devrait être bien réparti.
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Beochien
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Re: Mistubishi MRJ

Message par Beochien le Lun 6 Sep 2010 - 15:54

Sauf que la soute est bien éloignée du CG !
Bel effet de levier !

Et qu'est ce qu'il dira l'éventuel logiciel, s'il n'y a pas de pax en class "Affaire" (Si elle existe) et un vrai paquet de bagages !

JPRS


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Paul
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Re: Mistubishi MRJ

Message par Paul le Lun 6 Sep 2010 - 15:57

Bonjour,

Les CRJ700/900/1000 ont une soute à bagages sous le plancher à l'avant et des des sorties d'urgences sur les ailes.

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Whisky Charlie

Re: Mistubishi MRJ

Message par Poncho (Admin) le Lun 6 Sep 2010 - 16:19

Pourtant ici...

http://www.crj.bombardier.com/CRJ/fr/interieur.jsp?langId=fr&crjId=700

http://www2.bombardier.com/en/3_0/3_6/pdf/200711_NextGen_and_CRJ_Series.pdf

Les CRJ ont donc les 2, la soute et le compartiment baggage arrière... ce qui permet de jouer plus finement avec le centrage

Possbilité que le MRJ n'a pas, mais dont il a peut être moins besoin avec ses moteurs sous les ailes

Enfin le ratio c'est 3 volumes de PAX pour un volume de bagage (75 kg de pax et 25 kg de bagages) et pas tout en soute... vu les superbes coffres
Donc...
Voilà


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Re: Mistubishi MRJ

Message par Beochien le Lun 6 Sep 2010 - 16:25

Le bras de levier, est bien plus éloigné (Long) du CG en cas de soute AR, avec les moteurs sous l'aile !
Juste de ma fenètre !
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Paul
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Re: Mistubishi MRJ

Message par Paul le Lun 6 Sep 2010 - 16:42

Bonjour,

Le positionnement des moteurs n'a peut-être pas autant d'impact sur le centrage du poids qu'on le croit. Sur CRJ, les points d'ancrages pour soulever l'appareil lors de la maintenance sont sous les ailes (un de chaque côté) et sous le poste de pilotage, sur E-Jets, c'est sous les ailes et sous la pointe arrière.
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Re: Mistubishi MRJ

Message par Beochien le Lun 6 Sep 2010 - 16:47

Salut Paul !
Bien, mais l'avion est vide !
Et les ailes , ben c'est tjrs dans la zone du centre de gravité !
JPRS
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Re: Mistubishi MRJ

Message par aeroduO5 le Lun 6 Sep 2010 - 17:09

Les réacteurs et le carburant dans les ailes doivent être légèrement en avant du CG et ça fait du poids.
Les bagages sont très en arrière mais vu leur poids réduit je pense qu'on arrive à un bon équilibre.
Pour aider ils peuvent mettre des équipements électroniques dans la pointe avant.
Franchement si ils le font c'est que ça passe.
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Beochien
Whisky Charlie

Re: Mistubishi MRJ

Message par Beochien le Lun 6 Sep 2010 - 17:29

Peut être, mais c'est le client final qui voit si ça passe sans trop de gymnastique !
Et ça existe, s'il n'y a pas d'alternative côté soute !
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Re: Mistubishi MRJ

Message par Poncho (Admin) le Mer 15 Sep 2010 - 9:33

Bonjour,

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/09/15/347334/mitsubishi-targets-mrj-production-to-start-this-month.html


Production of parts for the Mitsubishi Regional Jet (MRJ) could start this month, as Mitsubishi Aircraft enters the production drawing phase for the new jet.

The design review for the aircraft was completed last week, says a Mitsubishi spokesman.

"We are proceeding with the production drawing phase, which will include more detailed designing of the parts. The first production could start this month," he adds.

Development of the MRJ is on track, says Mitsubishi. The 90-seater aircraft's first flight is scheduled for the second quarter of 2012, with first delivery to launch customer All Nippon Airways in the first quarter of 2014.

ANA has placed a firm order for 15 aircraft with 10 options. Besides the Japanese airline, American regional carrier Trans State Holdings has signed a letter of intent for 50 firm orders and 50 options.



Revue du design la semaine dernière.
Mitsu bascule vers l'élaboration des liasses de plans production
Et estime avoir les premières pièces en production à la fin du mois

Bonne journée


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Re: Mistubishi MRJ

Message par Beochien le Mer 15 Sep 2010 - 9:41

De Poncho !

Revue du design la semaine dernière.
Mitsu bascule vers l'élaboration des liasses de plans production
Et estime avoir les premières pièces en production à la fin du mois !

Mouais, les écrous et les rondelles, pourraient effectivement sortir de la FAB !

JPRS
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Re: Mistubishi MRJ

Message par Poncho (Admin) le Jeu 30 Sep 2010 - 9:54

Bonjour à tous

Début de la fabrication pour le MRJ
A noter que MHI réalise un très grosse part du boulot

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/09/30/347957/mrj-programme-enters-manufacturing-phase.html


Production of the Mitsubishi Regional Jet (MRJ) has started today, with the first metal cut for the aircraft's horizontal stabiliser by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI).

The manufacturing work kicked off at a ceremony at MHI's Nagoya Aerospace Systems Works, where aluminium material was cut for the horizontal stabiliser's frame component, says Mitsubishi Aircraft (MJET).

"Following MHI's lead, project partners will now launch manufacturing of the various components they are responsible for, based on the production drawings," it adds.

"The start of the MRJ's production indicates that development of the aircraft's production drawings is progressing after detailed design review this summer."

MJET completed the design review of the MRJ earlier this month. The 90-seater aircraft's first flight is scheduled for the second quarter of 2012, with first delivery to launch customer All Nippon Airways (ANA) in the first quarter of 2014.

MHI is manufacturing the MRJ's major components, including the fuselage, wing, empennage and core system. It is also responsible for the final assembly and equipment installation of the aircraft.

"Going forward, MHI and MJET continue to devote their utmost efforts to make the MRJ project a success, aiming to play a significant role in the ongoing development of the global aviation industry," says MJET.

ANA has placed a firm order for 15 aircraft with 10 options. Besides the Japanese airline, American regional carrier Trans State Holdings has signed a letter of intent for 50 firm orders and 50 options.



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Re: Mistubishi MRJ

Message par Beochien le Mar 1 Fév 2011 - 14:13

Enfin !

Le vrai décollage du Mitsu MRJ à l'export!

50+50 aux USA, pour Trans States (Peu connu)

Une LOI, de 2009, qui se confirme, le modèle c'est le 90, non précisé ici!

Surtout un bon coup pour P&W, qui affirme son P&W 1200G, peut être le moins performant de la gamme , et signe un contrat de services, tiens, tiens, ils en sont donc capables de signer des contrats d'entretien avec leurs GTF, bonne nouvelle pour Al Baker !

Avis pour Embraer et Bombardier !
Eh oui se mettre à jour avec les moteurs devient nécessaire et urgent pour tous les avions !

----------- Le lien et l'Article de Flight Global ------------------

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/02/01/352605/trans-states-firms-up-order-for-up-to-100-mrjs.html

Trans States firms up order for up to 100 MRJs
By Kerry Reals

US regional operator Trans States Holdings has firmed up its letter of intent for up to 100 Mitsubishi MRJ jets.

The carrier has signed a firm deal for 50 MRJs plus 50 options.

Deliveries are scheduled to begin in 2014.

Trans States MRJ


Trans States has signed a firm agreement with the MRJ's sole engine provider, Pratt & Whitney, for 100 PurePower PW1200G engines to power the aircraft, along with eight spare engines and options on a further 100.

The carrier has also signed a 12-year exclusive engine maintenance deal with P&W.

Trans States signed the original LOI for the aircraft in October 2009.

Trans States is the only carrier outside Japan to have signed a firm order for MRJs. The only other customer, All Nippon Airways, has placed a firm order for 15 of the type plus 10 options.

JPRS
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Whisky Charlie

Re: Mistubishi MRJ

Message par Poncho (Admin) le Mar 1 Fév 2011 - 14:29

100$ le pétrole hier soir...

Donc ça change, encore, la donne

Bonne nouvelle pour le MRJ, même si elle était attendue.


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Re: Mistubishi MRJ

Message par Poncho (Admin) le Mar 1 Fév 2011 - 15:32

Cet avion reste quand même bizarre...
Ce choix de n'avoir pas de soutes... qui doit être dicté par la volonté d'être léger... mange un sacrée place sur le pont principal.

Je regardais vite fait par rapport au E-jet (en fait le MRJ est à mis chemin entre le E175 et l'E190)

D'après les éléments mis en ligne par Paul :

MRJ soute arrière : 644 ft3 pour 92 pax (29") = 7 ft3/pax (config standard)
E190 sous le pont : 799 ft3 pour 114 pax (30)= 7 ft3/pax (config densité max)
E190 sous le pont : 799 ft3 pour 98pax (32")= 8.15 ft3/pax (config standard)
E175 sous le pont : 604 ft3 pour 88 pax (30") = 6.86 ft/pax (config densité max)

Cet avion m'interroge
Son aile et ses dimensions ext sont bien celles de l'E190 (il est un chouilla plus court : 40 cm et a une envergure supérieure de presque 1 m)

Pour ces dimensions son MTOW pour une charge utile de 9200 kg à 1800 Nm est de 42.8 T pour le moment
L'E190 STD fait 98 Pax soit 9800 kg de CU à 1800 Nm pour un MTOW de 47.8 t


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Re: Mistubishi MRJ

Message par Beochien le Mar 1 Fév 2011 - 15:47


Ben, c'est un avion "Sac à main" un peu comme les ATR !
Pas fait pour les voyageurs ou vacanciers à 40 kg par Pax !
Le fret est à oublier !
Mais un marché existe !

Je me rappelle avoir voyagé avec ma ceinture de plomb de plongée sur moi en cabine, dans les ATR, juste pour gagner 7kg ! Twisted Evil

JPRS
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Whisky Charlie

Re: Mistubishi MRJ

Message par Poncho (Admin) le Mar 1 Fév 2011 - 15:59

Y a aussi une soute sur le pont principal sur les ATR

http://www.atraircraft.com/products/atr-72-500.html
Mais c'est sur que les ratios sont moins bon : 5.5 ft3 pour la soute au mieux... Wink


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Re: Mistubishi MRJ

Message par Beochien le Mar 1 Fév 2011 - 16:06

Ben je sais c'est pour cela qu'ils ont pris ma valise de 20 kg !
Et moi je pesais 130 kg de plus dans l'avion, vu que tout ce qui pesait était sur, ou avec moi !
Il y aurait eu 42 pax comme moi, pas si sûr que l'on décolle !
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Whisky Charlie

Re: Mistubishi MRJ

Message par Poncho (Admin) le Mer 2 Fév 2011 - 9:11

Bonjour,

Quelques compléments sur la commande de Transtate

http://www.ainonline.com/news/single-news-page/article/mitsubishi-closes-on-big-us-rj-deal-28426/



St. Louis-based Trans States Holdings (TSH) signed a firm order for 50 Mitsubishi Regional Jets and secured options on another 50, Mitsubishi Aircraft announced today during a ceremony held in Nagoya, Japan. The sides finalized and executed the so-called definitive purchase agreement on December 27, almost 15 months after Trans States Airlines TSA signed a letter of intent to become the first U.S. customer for the 76- to 88-seat family of regional jets.


“We have been very excited about the MRJ program for a long time, and we are extremely pleased to conclude this major order on December 27 last year reaffirming the 100 aircraft commitment we made with our LOI,” said TSH president Rick Leach during today’s ceremony in Nagoya. “Since that launch order, we have learned a lot about the quality of the Mitsubishi Aircraft team and the quality of the MRJ aircraft. Both have given us great confidence. In addition, many good things have happened with the MRJ itself. Mitsubishi Aircraft has entered the production drawing phase for the MRJ and continues to proceed with the manufacturing process.”

Accompanied by Mitsubishi Aircraft president Hideo Egawa, Leach also visited the Mitsubishi Heavy Industry’s Tobishima Plant, where the project’s various partners expect final assembly of the MRJ to start soon.

The start of MRJ production–marked by the cutting of the first metal by MHI on September 30–signaled the successful conclusion of last summer’s detailed design review, during which MHI froze the final configuration of the 88-seat MRJ90 and reached conclusions about the changes needed for the 76-seat MRJ70 and the still unlaunched 100-seat MRJ100X. Following MHI’s lead, project partners launched manufacturing of the various components for which they have taken responsibility, based on production drawings now in process.

Plans call for the MRJ90 to fly for the first time in 2012, gain Japanese certification in late 2013 and enter airline service during the first quarter of 2014. The MRJ70 would likely gain certification approximately a year later. The MRJ100X remains in the preliminary design phase. Still lacking a customer, that airplane likely won’t reach the market until 2016 or 2017, depending on when the company decides to launch the program.

Meanwhile, BAE Systems last year signed a multi-year agreement with Mitsubishi Aircraft under which it will initially provide engineering development and integration services related to flight-test equipment and systems for the Pratt & Whitney PW1200G-powered aircraft. The contract complements another deal under which a team from BAE Systems’ Regional Aircraft business at Prestwick, Scotland, supports engineering on a number of work packages, including the powerplant, pylon, nacelle, auxiliary power units and fuel systems.

With the TSA order, Mitsubishi Aircraft has collected firm orders for 65 airplanes, including fifteen 88-seat MRJ90s from launch customer All Nippon Airways, which also holds options on another 10.


Intéressant : Le MRJ 90 est donnée à 88 places là
QQ élements du MRJ 100 X avec mise en service en 2016 ou 2017 (encore un paramètre à prendre en compte pour Embraer Wink )



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Re: Mistubishi MRJ

Message par Poncho (Admin) le Mer 9 Mar 2011 - 8:52

Bonjour à tous
Le MRJ100X mis en attente du premier vol du MRJ90
Développement tjs prévu, mais retardé.
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/03/09/354102/mitsubishi-mrj-100-seater-to-wait.html

Mitsubishi Aircraft is likely to start work on the 100-seat variant of its MRJ business jet only after the smaller types have had their first flight.
The MRJ 90 is scheduled to have its first flight in mid-2012, while the MRJ 70 will take to the skies around a year later. All Nippon Airways, the MRJ's launch customer, has ordered 15 MRJ 90s while US regional carrier Trans States Airlines (TSA) has bought 50 that will include a combination of both variants.
"We keep studying the MRJ 100X, a stretched version of the MRJ 90. Our engineers are busy developing the MRJ 70 and MRJ 90 now, as that is what the market wants," says Hitoshi Iwasa, vice-president for sales and marketing. "Airlines in Europe, Latin America and Asia have been talking to us about the MRJ 100X, we are listening to their opinion all the time. It depends on the customers' needs, but there's more demand for the other variants and those will go ahead first."
TSA signed a definitive agreement, which includes 50 options, in December, and that is helping to drum up interest in an aircraft that Mitsubishi believes will revolutionise the regional jet market. "The MRJ is still a paper plane, and the TSA order creates more interest - its competitors want to know how to respond and they talk to us. After the first flight next year, there will be more," says Iwasa.


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Message par Poncho (Admin) le Mer 6 Avr 2011 - 9:49

Bonjour à tous

Début de l'assemblage du MRJ chez MHI

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/04/06/355191/mitsubishi-starts-assembly-work-on-mrj.html


Assembly of the Mitsubishi MRJ regional jet started on 5 April, with riveting work starting at Mitsubishi Heavy Industries.
MHI started riveting work on the frame structure around the emergency escape hatch for crew in the aircraft's cockpit roof, says Mitsubishi Aircraft.
"[The] start of assembly work indicates that the MRJ project to develop Japan's first passenger jet is progressing steadily and firmly as scheduled," it adds.

© Mitsubishi Aircraft

The MRJ 90 is scheduled to make its first flight in the second quarter of 2012, with first delivery to launch customer All Nippon Airways in the first quarter of 2014. The MRJ 70 variant will have its first flight in 2013.
Production of individual aircraft parts of the MRJ began last autumn.
MHI, which is responsible for manufacturing major parts of the MRJ including the fuselage, wings and empennage, will also take charge of the Pratt & Whitney PW1217G-powered aircraft's final assembly.
Meanwhile, Mitsubishi Aircraft has set up a wholly owned subsidiary in Amsterdam to act as the sales base for the MRJ in Europe, the Middle East and Africa.
The new subsidiary will begin operations on 1 May, says Mitsubishi Aircraft.
"Europe is the second largest market for regional jet aircraft, following the United States. The new regional sales base allows Mitsubishi Aircraft to conduct on-the-ground sales activities to customers without any time differences," it adds.
The subsidiary will also cover the Middle Eastern and African markets.
"We have many potential customers showing strong interest in the MRJ in the European region. We expect establishing this new sales office will greatly enhance our presence in the region, resulting in new orders," says Mitsubishi Aircraft president Hideo Egawa.
Mitsubishi Aircraft says it expects a total market for 5,000 regional jets in the next 20 years, with 30% of this coming from Europe.
So far Mitsubishi has orders for 65 MRJs, with All Nippon Airways taking 15 MRJ 90s and US regional carrier Trans States Airlines 50, a mixture of both variants.

Premier vol tjs prévu pour Q2 2012

A noter la mise en place d'une structure commerciale en europe

Bonne journée


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Message par Poncho (Admin) le Mer 18 Mai 2011 - 23:20

Bonsoir

MHI sent la nécessité d'un MRJ 100 place

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/05/18/356839/raa-2011-mitsubishi-admits-feeling-pressure-for-100-seater.html


Mitsubishi is acknowledging growing pressure to make a commitment to producing a 100-seat jet to join its MRJ90 and MRJ70 family of aircraft.
Asked by ATI and Flightglobal during the RAA annual convention in Nashville, Tennessee if the company would accelerate development of larger aircraft, Mitsubishi Aircraft executive vice-president Junichi Miyakawa stated: "We do have a lot of pressure [over the 100-seater]. European customers like the MRJ100X."
Miyakawa also acknowledged the "famous guy" recently making comments about Mitsubishi needing to produce a 100-seat aircraft to become a viable airframe competitor. He was referring to an assessment given by Air Lease CEO Steven Udvar-Hazy during the International Society of Transport Aircraft Trading conference in March of this year. Miyakawa said he welcomed Hazy's comments.
Mitsubishi is talking to several potential customers about the MRJ100X but Miyakawa stated adding one more type of aircraft to the current offerings is a "big decision" requiring board authorisation.
However, he stressed he would do his best to make a 100-seat offering happen. "We need that."
Miyakawa estimated 90% commonality between the MRJ70/90 and the MRJ100X.
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries began assembly work on the MRJ90 in April ahead of first flight next year. First delivery to All Nippon Airways is scheduled for 2014.


A suivre


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Re: Mistubishi MRJ

Message par Beochien le Jeu 19 Mai 2011 - 2:35

Merci Poncho !

Oui ... vu que des 70 pax ils n'en ont pas vendu, cf Wikip !
Mais du côté des 100 pax il y a du monde ...
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Re: Mistubishi MRJ

Message par Poncho (Admin) le Jeu 19 Mai 2011 - 6:58

Même combat que le SSJ


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Re: Mistubishi MRJ

Message par Poncho (Admin) le Jeu 16 Juin 2011 - 8:17

Bonjour à tous
Les temps semblent moins durs aussi pour le MRJ

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/commercial_aviation/ThingsWithWings/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=7a78f54e-b3dd-4fa6-ae6e-dff2ffd7bdbb&plckPostId=Blog%3a7a78f54e-b3dd-4fa6-ae6e-dff2ffd7bdbbPost%3ace28a3c1-a83b-4e24-8896-9bee45b81c6e&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest


Mitsubishi Aircraft has signed an MOU with ANI Group Holdings for five Mitsubishi Regional jets as the Japanese firm heads to Paris to showcase the 70-90-seat regional jet.

ANI is a Hong Kong-based aircraft lease and maintenance company that serves five Indonesian airlines.

When completed, the order will bring the MRJ’s firm order to 70 aircraft, including 15 from launch customer All Nippon Airways and 50 from Trans States Holdings. There are 60 total options.

MOU pour 5 MRJ

Toujours ça à prendre
Même tactique que le CSeries ? Petits pas petits pas petits pas ?


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Message par jullienaline le Jeu 23 Juin 2011 - 0:26

Bonsoir à tous,

Boeing se lance dans les avions régionaux !

Juste un accord de service avec Mitsubishi pour le MRJ. Le pied à l'étrier.

Mitsubishi Aircraft Corporation Selects Boeing to Provide World-Class Customer Support and Services

LE BOURGET, France, June 22, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- Mitsubishi Aircraft Corporation and Boeing (NYSE:BA - News) announced a partnership today at the Paris Air Show for Boeing to provide customer support services for the Mitsubishi Regional Jet (MRJ) family of regional commercial jets.

"We are pleased to announce we have concluded an agreement with Boeing for MRJ customer support as the Mitsubishi Regional Jet sets the new standard for next- generation regional jets truly suited for the 21st century," said Hideo Egawa, president, Mitsubishi Aircraft. "With this agreement, Mitsubishi Aircraft will be able to deliver profit-enhancing support and a competitive boost to our customers. We are confident that this agreement will further strengthen the relationship between our two companies."

Boeing Commercial Aviation Services will provide Mitsubishi Aircraft with 24/7 customer support including spare parts provisioning, service operations and field services. It will allow Mitsubishi to focus on launching its business as it works with Boeing to create a world-class services operation that Mitsubishi may bring in house in the future.

"We are honored to assist Mitsubishi Aircraft as they establish their own customer support and services," said Jim Albaugh, president and CEO of Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "Our goal is to support Mitsubishi Aircraft in maximizing the lifetime value of their fleets and operations – we know from experience that this will give them a competitive edge in their market."

Boeing will also deploy the latest technology to tailor a service and maintenance web portal for Mitsubishi Aircraft. With a user-friendly interface, the portal will bring together the applications and data needed to detect and predict service, maintenance and repair needs.

The portal will be modeled on Boeing's customer web portal, MyBoeingFleet.com, and will support an Airplane Health Management System to monitor, collect and analyze real-time, "smart" airplane data, allowing MRJ operators to make maintenance decisions that minimize their aircraft's time on the ground.

Boeing and Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI), Mitsubishi Aircraft's parent company, have a longstanding relationship for commercial and defense production.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Mitsubishi-Aircraft-prnews-1292307697.html?x=0&.v=1

Amicalement

PS : dupliqué du fil Le Bourget 2011


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