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    Beochien
    Juliet Papa

    Re: Emirates ! EK ! UAE !

    Message par Beochien le Ven 26 Nov 2010 - 14:07

    Bonjour !

    Tim Clark en remet une couche !
    Les Australiens, bien sur toujours à l'affut de ce qui va loin ... normal !

    Des 77W plus légers ...
    Des 350-1000 plus gros et plus capables !
    Bien, la shopping list de Tim Clark, le beurre et l'argent du beurre ...comme d'hab!
    Mais sur le fond, le T.C;, il est bien informé des développements "Faisables", ou plus difficiles!
    Par contre, même le plus gros client du monde, pour ce type d'avion, ne peut pas prétendre au "Sur mesure" non plus !

    RR à bout de souffle pour les TXWB du 350-1000, ils n'iront pas beaucoup plus haut, et Airbus non plus à part un très hypothétique 350-1000 ER!

    Et Boeing, pour un 777 NG, devra aussi trouver des solutions "Economiques"avant de refaire vraiment un autre avion !
    D'aprés A.net, 5 Tonnes, pour le 777 ce serait plus factible que 10 tonnes de moins, Al-Li à la vista, et une aile neuve ... bien, peut être, on verra !
    Et GE, avec son 90-115, bof ... à revoir profondément aussi, côté SFC !

    Des perspectives c'est normal, ...mais bien après 2016, 2018 peut être ... ou même plus !
    Le droit de rêver et de planifier qq temps, T.C. est prudent ... de la place pour A et B ! On s'en serait douté !

    ---------- Va pour l'Article de Bloomberg / SMH Australie -------

    http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/emirates-asks-airbus-for-longerrange-a350-20101125-18847.html

    Emirates, the world's biggest airline by international traffic, urged Airbus SAS to boost the range of the biggest version of its new A350 wide-body plane as Boeing ponders a redesign of the competing 777 model.

    Emirates, whose outstanding orders for the 777 will make it the twin-jet's biggest user, needs higher-capacity aircraft for its longest intercontinental routes, Tim Clark, the Dubai-based airline's president, said today in an interview in Paris.

    Clark has ordered 20 350-seat A350-1000s, a model he says can't reach Los Angeles from Dubai in the three-class layout that Emirates prefers. The Boeing planes that it currently uses on the route are based on a less efficient 20-year-old design, with the 354-seat 777-300ER at the limits of its range, curbing the payload, and the 777-200LR limited to 266 people.

    "We're finding that the smallest aircraft that's useful to us needs to be 340 seats," Clark said. "We're trying to persuade Airbus to realign the A350-1000 more toward the ER, increasing both its capacity and its range."

    With the A350-1000 still undergoing development and not due for delivery to Emirates until 2015, Toulouse, France-based Airbus may still be able to reconfigure elements of the design. Airbus spokesman Stefan Schaffrath declined to comment today.

    Emirates has ordered a total of 70 A350s, including 50 of the -900 variant, which can fly 200 miles further than the -1000 but which carries only 300 people in the three-class configuration. The biggest Arab airline also has options on an additional 50 A350s and signed a letter of intent firming up 30 of those in 2008.

    777 Revamp

    Clark said Emirates is equally interested in a new 777 if Boeing revamps the model enough to deliver significant savings.

    With its 787 Dreamliner yet to enter service, Boeing plans to decide next year whether to commit to a full redesign for the 777 or build a new wing to boost performance, something the Chicago-based manufacturer began discussing in June 2009.

    "We would like to see an aircraft that's lighter, with or without composites, and more fuel efficient," Clark said, adding that the plane would need to fly from Dubai to Los Angeles in 16 1/2 hours with a payload of 35 to 40 metric tons, compared with a maximum 30 tons today. "It's a big ask. In the end they'll come up with something, but I doubt they'll quite achieve that."

    'Room for Both'

    Clark said Emirates may place more orders for both the A350 and the 777 for use on its longest routes if the competing aircraft are developed to its satisfaction.

    "There's room for both planes, quite frankly," he said.

    For Boeing, a revamped or all-new 777 would fill a gap in its lineup above the 290-seat Dreamliner. Emirates has about 90 777s in operation or on order, making it the model's top user.

    Boeing is regularly seeking the input of Emirates and other customers and has the time "to make the right product decisions" that are aligned with available technologies and airlines' needs, said Jim Proulx, a spokesman in Seattle, home to the company's commercial headquarters.

    "We are committed to maintaining our leadership in this segment and providing customers a product offering to do that for another 20 years or longer, whether it is a 777 derivative or possible new airplane," Proulx said.

    Airbus's A380 superjumbo may also feature in Emirates' reckoning on very-long-haul flights as the aircraft's weight is gradually reduced, Clark said. The Dubai-Los Angeles route is within the model's range, according to the Airbus Website.

    Emirates will introduce the A380 to Tokyo's Narita airport as soon as next September, when it begins taking the next batch of six to nine jets, due for delivery through March 2012, the CEO said. That will take the fleet to between 21 and 24 planes.

    Bookings remain "very strong" on routes already served by the A380 and show no sign of suffering from the Nov. 4 engine blowout on a Qantas Airways Ltd. plane powered by Rolls-Royce Group Plc turbines. Emirates' superjumbos are equipped with engines from a General Electric Co.-Pratt & Whitney venture.

    Bloomberg

    JPRS

    art_way
    Whisky Charlie

    Re: Emirates ! EK ! UAE !

    Message par art_way le Mar 15 Fév 2011 - 12:15

    Emirates trouve le 350-900 trop petit pour son business plan.
    C'est très bien pour le 350-1000, par contre la pression est mise sur Airbus et RR.
    Mais bon Tim Clark aime bien la provoc'


    Emirates looking at skipping A350-900 for -1000
    By Brendan Sobie

    Emirates is considering swapping its order for 50 Airbus A350-900s to A350-1000s as Airbus works on finalising design of the stretched variant.

    In November 2007, the carrier ordered 70 A350 XWBs, initially specifying 50 of the baseline -900s and 20 -1000s. But Emirates president Tim Clark says over the last three years the carrier's network has matured to the point where it "can no longer tolerate anything under 300" seats.

    Emirates is slated to take 290-seat A350-900s from April 2015. The A350-1000s would be a better fit, but the longer wait must also be considered.

    "It [the -900] is now appearing too small," says Clark. "So we may slip the order to the -1000, but the -1000 hasn't been frozen yet. We haven't decided quite yet which one we'll take. We're actually playing around with how this order fits."

    The A350-900 is scheduled to enter service in 2013, while Airbus has provided a 2015 entry into service date for -1000 stretch. Clark says the only option if Emirates wants to take A350s in 2015 is to stick with the -900.

    Delivery dates for the A350-1000 are not likely to be firmed up until the design is frozen, which could take time as airlines continue to press Airbus for changes. Clark says with the current design the -1000 will not have a range or payload comparable to the Boeing 777-300ER.

    "Airbus compares the -1000 to the 777-300ER. I've told them in no uncertain terms it does not. I see it as a 320-, 330-seater which will be very economical on missions up to 10 or 12 hours," he says. "The notion that it would fly from Singapore to European gateways in the winter months with 100 knots on the nose is a bit of an ask. We've suggested they need to come to grips with that, which means they need to increase the takeoff weight and they need to increase propulsion."

    The aircraft is slated to be powered by Rolls-Royce Trent XWB engines but Clark is "not sure they will do the job
    ".

    If its -900s are delayed beyond 2015 or it elects to wait for the -1000, Emirates can avail of the "safety net" of 30 additional 777-300ERs ordered last year. The airline's original thinking was for the A350-900s to replace its 777-200s, A330-200s and A340-300s, but it has the flexibility to retain these aircraft for longer.

    In 2007 the airline ordered 70 A350 XWBs: 50 -900s and 20 -1000s


    Beochien
    Juliet Papa

    Re: Emirates ! EK ! UAE !

    Message par Beochien le Mar 15 Fév 2011 - 12:30

    Merci Art-Way, désolé j'ai fait un doublon! Embarassed

    aeroduO5
    Whisky Quebec

    Re: Emirates ! EK ! UAE !

    Message par aeroduO5 le Jeu 17 Fév 2011 - 16:33

    Ca ressemble à un encouragement à RR et Airbus: "si vous travaillez bien, je vous le prend votre oiseau".

    Beochien
    Juliet Papa

    Re: Emirates ! EK ! UAE !

    Message par Beochien le Jeu 17 Fév 2011 - 16:46

    L'oiseau, il est acheté ... formellement !
    50 359, 20 3510, plus 50 options !
    Mais les discussions ne sont pas terminées .., et avec ces commandes en cours, ben ça donne le droit de parler ...
    Et des swap 350- 900-1000, doivent être en évaluation !

    JPRS

    Admin
    Whisky Charlie

    Re: Emirates ! EK ! UAE !

    Message par Admin le Jeu 10 Mar 2011 - 9:27

    Bonjour

    Ca va mieux pour l'A380... chez EK

    http://atwonline.com/news/other-headlines/


    Emirates' A380 fleet achieved 100% dispatch reliability last week
    By: Kurt Hofmann
    Emirates Airline President Tim Clark told ATW at ITB Berlin that all 15 of the airline's Airbus A380s operated for the first time with 100% technical dispatch reliability last week. "We have some hiccups sometimes [with the A380 operation] but the reliability is going up," he said. When EK's first A380 arrived about 220 post-factory modifications had to be made. "Today the number is about 60," he said.

    Beginning this fall, delivery of its remaining 75 A380s begins at a rate of at least one aircraft per month. "It will start to get really busy," Clark said, but he added that every EK area manager is requesting the A380 and that EK could put the aircraft on daily service to every European point it serves without losing money because demand is so strong and customers still look to fly on the A380 if the option is there.

    Asked how long it takes for a new route to be profitable, Clark said, "I get very upset if they are not in profit after 20 rotations. Ninety percent of new routes [achieve] this target." He expects the airline to hire 4,000 new flight attendants this year and carry 32 million passengers, up from 27.5 million last year.


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    Beochien
    Juliet Papa

    Re: Emirates ! EK ! UAE !

    Message par Beochien le Mar 10 Mai 2011 - 13:09

    Bonjour !

    Pour Emirates tout va bien !
    Pas d'IPO à la vista !
    Des cdes cete année, oui ! Mais au salon de Dubaï !

    ---------- De AviationWeek le lien ------------------

    http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/awx/2011/05/10/awx_05_10_2011_p0-320770.xml&headline=Emirates%20plans%20No%20IPO,%20But%20More%20Orders&channel=comm

    JPRS

    Beochien
    Juliet Papa

    Re: Emirates ! EK ! UAE !

    Message par Beochien le Mer 11 Mai 2011 - 9:34

    Bonjour !

    Je le passe sous Emirates ...

    L'Australie qui arrive à héberger déjà 70 fréquences par semaine de EK, s'apprête à en recevoir une centaine !
    Panique pour les cies locales, Qantas en tête !
    Comment arrêter ce qui ressemble de plus en plus à une invasion irrésistible !

    ---------De Will Horton, dans son blog de FlightGlobal , le lien !-------------------

    http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/wings-down-under/2011/05/what-australian-aviation-might-look-like-when-emirates-operates-100-oz-flights-a-week.html

    Et Virgin Australia réagit à travers des Alliances ...avec Delta !

    ----------- Par Ben Sandilands , Crickey , le lien -----------

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/

    JPRS


    Dernière édition par Beochien le Mer 11 Mai 2011 - 10:22, édité 1 fois

    Admin
    Whisky Charlie

    Re: Emirates ! EK ! UAE !

    Message par Admin le Mer 11 Mai 2011 - 10:14

    Super merci

    Moi je note : AirnNew Zealand qui se positionne pour le marché Asie / Amérique du sud... belle ambition

    Pekin Santiago : 10271 NM
    Pekin Sao Paulo : 9500 NM (route directe à travers vol vers l'ouest)

    Via aukland toutes les distances se réduisent à moins de 6500 Nm



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    Beochien
    Juliet Papa

    Re: Emirates ! EK ! UAE !

    Message par Beochien le Dim 24 Juil 2011 - 20:34

    Bonjour !

    Superbe reportage photo, sur le A380 de EK !
    A voir, c'est rarement aussi détaillé !

    http://www.yossawat.com/2011/07/emirates-airbus-380-interior-5-star-hotel-on-wings/

    Admin
    Whisky Charlie

    Re: Emirates ! EK ! UAE !

    Message par Admin le Ven 5 Aoû 2011 - 9:55

    Bonjour à tous

    http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engines-components/news/emirates-clark-would-even-more-a380s-space-limited-0804


    Emirates Airline President Tim Clark told ATW in Vienna that the performance of the carrier's Airbus A380s continues to improve, noting that its 15-aircraft fleet achieved 99% reliability performance last week.

    From September through November 2017, a further 75 A380s will be delivered to the Dubai-based airline, and Clark said he would ultimately prefer an operating fleet of more than 90 of the extra-large aircraft. "If we could, but we can't," he elaborated. "Because by 2017, our first A380, 'Delta-Alpha,' which we put in service in 2008 … is then nine years old and three years after that we replace her. Unfortunately, many of our ordered A380s are planned as replacement aircraft. That's what we will do: 12 years [in service] and out [of the fleet] and then we buy more."

    One reason the fleet has to be capped, he explained, is "real estate" at Dubai International to park and maintain the aircraft. Currently, EK dedicates 85% of its A380 flying to relatively short-haul routes. "So long as EK is flying to places like Munich, Rome, etc. and back to DXB in 14 hr. rotation—that brings the aircraft back far more [often] then you theoretically like," he noted. "If the A380 is flying to the US West Coast … this is a 35 hr. mission and you keep [the aircraft] away from DXB longer. Then the pressure of real estate at DXB is [lessened] … You have to make [the long-haul/short-haul ratio] 25% and 75%. If you do that, then you could bring in more A380s."

    Even though longer-haul flying will comprise a minority of EK's A380 flights, it plans to dispatch the aircraft all over the world. But there is not always room for the A380 at various airports. For example, EK had planned to operate an A380 on the DXB-Sao Paolo route, but there was no space at the Brazilian airport to park the aircraft during a 6-hr. layover. "We're working on it," Clark said.

    EK's newest A380 destination will be Munich, scheduled to start by the end of October, followed with Kuala Lumpur and Rome.

    Clark tjs content de ces A380 ...
    Il en veut tjs plus mais pb de places à dubai lié notamment au fait que les A380 font pas mal de moyen courrier avec temps de stationnement relativement long

    Fin de la première commande en 2017
    Et comme EK garde ses avions 12 ans on va trouver des A380 EK sur le marché en 2020
    Conséquence :

    - le plus fidèle client de l'A380 devrait placer une nouvelle commande d'A380 pour livraison à partir de 2020 ce qui est un timing idéal pour une évolution (mineure / majeure ?), et peut-être le fameux A380-800R ou A380-900 ?
    - Des A380 vont apparaître en occasion vers 2020 également -> programme P2F ? ou alors de cies charter vont les prendre en charge
    On saura en 2020 si le marché des A380 usagés existe.


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    aeroduO5
    Whisky Quebec

    Re: Emirates ! EK ! UAE !

    Message par aeroduO5 le Lun 8 Aoû 2011 - 22:27

    Je pense que d'ici 2020 le marché de l'occasion pour l'A380 se sera éveloppé.

    Surtout en Asie où des compagnies en auront besoin pour faire des vols pas très longs.

    Admin
    Whisky Charlie

    Re: Emirates ! EK ! UAE !

    Message par Admin le Mar 9 Aoû 2011 - 9:39

    Salut Aerodu05

    Il va être intéressant de connaître le potentiel de la cellule... parce que les vols de 2-3 h vont entraîner une rapide accumulation des cycles


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    art_way
    Whisky Charlie

    Re: Emirates ! EK ! UAE !

    Message par art_way le Ven 26 Aoû 2011 - 13:12


    La compagnie aérienne de Dubaï a annoncé l’augmentation de ses vols vers le Japon avec deux vols directs supplémentaires sans escale verts Tokyo-Narita à partir du 1er novembre.

    Les vols supplémentaires partiront les mardi et mercredi de Dubaï à
    2h50 pour atterrir sur l’aéroport de Tokyo-Narita à 17h35, le retour
    décollant du Japon à 22 heures pour arriver à 3h50 du matin le jour
    suivant. Le nouveau service autorise des correspondances pratiques vers tout le réseau d’Emirates, en Europe, Moyen-Orient, Afrique ou Amérique du Sud. Les vols seront opérés en Boeing 777-300ER
    configurés en 8 sièges Première, 42 sièges en affaire et 304 en classe
    économique, soit 352 places au total, auquel on peut ajouter le
    transport de marchandises (composants électroniques et automobile…) pour
    23 tonnes
    .
    Emirates vole depuis son hub de Dubaï vers Tokyo depuis le 28 mars 2010
    cinq fois par semaine (les lundi, jeudi, vendredi, samedi et dimanche). «
    La demande continue d’être forte depuis que nous l’avons lancée l’année
    dernière », a expliqué Emirates.
    Depuis 2002, Emirates a transporté 1,3 million de personnes au Japon et 60 000 tonnes de marchandises.
    http://www.air-journal.fr/2011-08-26-emirates-vole-tous-les-jours-vers-tokyo-narita-535073.html


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    Whisky Charlie

    Re: Emirates ! EK ! UAE !

    Message par Admin le Ven 9 Sep 2011 - 17:29

    Bon

    L'A350-1000 revient au centre du débat
    T Clark estime avoir été mis devant le fait accompli et avoir perdu de la communalité ...

    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/09/09/361827/emirates-chief-hits-out-over-a350-1000-revamp.html


    Emirates president Tim Clark has reacted angrily to Airbus's plan to revamp the A350-1000.
    The airframer revealed a revised specification for its largest A350 variant at the Paris air show, which will result in a two-year delay.
    It centres on a modified, more powerful variant of the Trent XWB engine, along with increased weights.
    The move sparked an angry response from A350-1000 launch customer Qatar Airways, with chief executive Akbar Al Baker expressing his displeasure during the show.
    While Airbus's official line was the revisions had been introduced to boost payload and range, ­industry sources have speculated there may also have been a need to address weight or performance issues that had emerged with the original design.
    Clark said the revisions were implemented without any dialogue: "If they had talked to me, I would have said: '[The improvement is] not good enough'," he added.
    Although Emirates has only 20 A350-1000s on order, it had been considering switching its 50 -900 orders to the -1000. However, this is unlikely following the revisions.
    "On paper, the old -1000 was hugely economical - it was a 777-300 classic replacement," Clark said. "That's why I talked about ­converting my -900 orders." He added the decision to revamp the A350-1000's engine by incorporating a new core has had an impact on commonality. "I had 70 aircraft with the same engine. I don't have that any more," he said

    Il se disait donc content de la version initiale !


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    aeroduO5
    Whisky Quebec

    Re: Emirates ! EK ! UAE !

    Message par aeroduO5 le Lun 12 Sep 2011 - 17:40

    Il commence à gonfler le monde.

    C'est bien beau de faire un avion pour les compagnies du Golfe mais si elles en commandent une centaine ou deux ce sera le maximum.

    Par contre si ça fait perdre d'autres clients, il faut peut-être s'interroger.

    Admin
    Whisky Charlie

    Re: Emirates ! EK ! UAE !

    Message par Admin le Jeu 29 Sep 2011 - 9:26

    Bonjour à tous

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2011/09/29/so-now-we-know-what-emirates-is-going-to-do-with-all-those-a380s/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CrikeyBlogs%2Fplanetalking+%28Plane+Talking%29


    The actual announcement from Emirates was modest by its standards. It would start daily Dubai-Dallas Fort Worth flights on 2 February and daily services to Seattle from 1 March, both initially with either Boeing 777-300ERs or -200LRs. It already has A380s and 777s to New York City, and other 777s to San Francisco and Los Angeles.

    But it is what Clark said in supporting interviews that grabbed the US headlines. From 2013 it can start replacing 777s with A380s to California because of further improvements to the big Airbus in terms of range and payload, and based on demand, growth and the fact that it makes money out of every flight why wouldn’t it use the cost advantage of the giant Airbus against its competitors.

    Clark’s comments help us understand what Emirates plans to do with up to 90 A380s, bearing in mind that some of that total order book is for replacing the early A380s, as this is an airline with a fleet that has a unit average age of six years and two months.
    et

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204226204576598784014855762.html?mod=googlenews_wsj



    Déploiement massif d'EK sur les etats unis, dans un premier temps avec des triple 7, puis avec des A380 en 2013 avec cette fameuse version optimisée de l'A380-800 qui fera DXB-LAX à pleine charge PAX

    EK content de l'A380, vraiment content en fait


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    Beochien
    Juliet Papa

    Re: Emirates ! EK ! UAE !

    Message par Beochien le Lun 24 Oct 2011 - 11:23

    Bonjour !

    Une longue interwiew de Tim Clark, EK, chez FlightGlobal ! Il existe des versions video !
    Intéressant et à lire !

    Noté , le refus des Alliances, liberté absolue !
    Et une obligation de cie "Mondiale" induite !
    Pas d'intérêt pour racheter des Airlines ! Niet pour BMI !

    Son rêve ...
    Un Bi avec 50T de charge pour DBX - LAX !
    Ben ça n'existe pas et ce n'est pas pour demain ...
    Manquerait 13 tonnes aux 77-300ER !
    Et l'A350 sera loin ...


    ---------------Extrait et lien de FlightGlobal --------------

    http://www.flightglobal.com/page/interviews/tim-clark/the-interview/

    Alliance Agenda

    However, one aspect of modern competition he cannot abide are the
    global alliances, whose behaviour he likens to global “gang warfare”,
    threatening to stifle competition and prevent it being nurtured. “I’m so
    opposed to alliances because I believe they distort and channel and
    direct for the greater good of the alliance thing, rather than the
    consumers that are driving it all.” Clark says the alliances –
    particularly Star – have created “a fairly difficult, vicious structure
    internationally” and is concerned about how much of a threat Emirates is
    perceived to be. “We have learnt that we are considered to be the
    single largest threat to the Star Alliance group on the Planet today.
    While I’m hugely flattered by this, it is also a worry because it
    shouldn’t be that. There is actually room for us and our way of doing
    things, and the way they do. I don’t spend my time trying to take down
    Star Alliance. I’d rather work with all these airlines on an independent
    basis, and that’s what we do. Because I’ll always give business to the
    partners that we have relationships with.”

    Emirates recently published a paper entitled Aviation at the
    Crossroads – Safeguarding Competition and Consumer Choice, in which it
    highlights recent tactics by the alliances that create a “join or
    perish” commercial incentive for non-aligned airlines. “The emergence of
    three mega-alliances presents public policy concerns that merit careful
    attention”, and could “harm consumers”, Emirates says in the paper.

    Unsurprisingly, Clark says the thought of joining an alliance is
    “anathema” to Emirates. “There’s no point in even going there. You must
    have total command and control of what you do. You can’t allow yourself
    to be subjected to the whims of an amorphous board, like the Star
    Alliance, saying ‘you can’t do this, you can’t do that; you’ve got to
    buy this aeroplane; you’ve got to fly this route’. Not in the world as
    it is today. We want to move rapidly where we have opportunities, for
    example, to second or third-level airports. I don’t want to be told ‘you
    can’t go to that hub; I’m going there so you feed me’. Forget it.”

    This sort of independent thinking has been central to Emirates’ early
    and continued success. “When the global economy took off, because we
    were totally focused on what we do, because we were not
    alliance-affiliated, we had nobody else to answer to and we did things
    the way we wanted to. We recognised in the mid-1990s that the world was
    changing rapidly and we had to adapt our business. We exploded the
    growth of Emirates, took on huge numbers of orders that shook the
    industry. We did that because we could see [demand for air travel] was
    going bananas.”

    Fleet Forward

    By comparison with the Emirates buying frenzy last year – that saw it
    order another 32 A380s and 30 777-300ERs – this year has been fairly
    quiet for the airline, so far. However, Clark already has his eyes on
    the next potential acquisition – a successor for the airline’s huge
    fleet of 777-300ERs.

    His deep understanding of aircraft performance means he was never
    slow in getting stuck in with the design teams in Toulouse and Seattle
    as they developed their recent large widebody types. It is no different
    now. Clark has been quick to express his displeasure at the way Airbus
    has messed around with the design of the A350-1000 – for which he holds
    20 orders and could potentially take more if the aircraft’s
    specifications meet Emirates requirements – and is pushing Boeing as it
    develops a 777-300ER successor, with the view to being a potential
    launch customer.

    Airbus unveiled a revised specification for the largest A350 variant
    at the Paris air show in June, along with a two-year delay to service
    entry from 2015 to 2017. The changes centre on a modified, more powerful
    variant of the Rolls-Royce Trent XWB engine, along with increased
    weights to provide additional range capability. But Clark is not happy
    the revisions were implemented without any dialogue with Emirates. “If
    they had talked to me, I would have said: ‘[The improvement is] not good
    enough’,” he says.

    “On paper, the old -1000 was hugely economical – it was a 777-300
    classic replacement. That’s why I talked about ­converting my -900
    orders.” But that possibility has dimmed with the changes, and Clark
    hopes Airbus’s US rival could hold the answer. “There’s a lot of work
    going on [at Boeing on the new 777], and we’re involved in it.”

    Clark has informed Boeing that Emirates needs a twinjet capable of
    flying a 50-tonne payload – by its rules – between Dubai and Los
    Angeles. Today that route is operated by a 777-300ER, with a payload of
    about 35-37 tonnes. “I keep telling Lars Anderson [head of Boeing’s 777
    Advanced Product Development team] that I’m already flying the -300ER
    there, so give me an aeroplane that can do it reasonably so I’m not
    shedding payload to get us there,” he says.

    JPRS

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    Whisky Charlie

    Re: Emirates ! EK ! UAE !

    Message par Admin le Lun 24 Oct 2011 - 12:32

    Salut Beochien
    A mon avis, sur cette étape l'A350-1000 est mieux en termes de charge utile que le 777-300ER
    Reste, la répartition charge PAX / Fret peut être pas aussi idéale
    Depuis le début TC voulait un A350-1000 long range économique et non pas ultra long range... un remplaçant des 777-300 par exemple, un fuselage de -1000 avec des ailes et des jambes de -900 par exemple ? à 268 t, ça reste une machine apte à 6000/7000 Nm un peu comme le 787-10 que tout le monde appelle de ces veux...

    C'est Enders ou Williams qui disait cette fin de semaine dernière que les produits n'évoluaient pas assez vite
    Il y a de quoi faire un beau mécano avec l'A350, encore plus rigolo qu'avec les A330/340

    2 ailes
    2 moteurs
    2 trains
    3 fuselages
    2 MTOW "seuils" 268t et 308t
    YAPLUSKA



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    Beochien
    Juliet Papa

    Re: Emirates ! EK ! UAE !

    Message par Beochien le Lun 24 Oct 2011 - 13:11

    Bof, Poncho sais pas !

    Les derniers miles quand on échange la charge contre le pétrole, ça coûte vite cher !
    Et DBX- LAX contre le vent, ben ça tape sévérement dans les réserves des avions désignés à 8000 Nm 777-300 ER et A380 !
    A ce stade avec le 1000, je ne sais pas trop ce que cela donnera vers LAX !
    Pour le reste, on peut tout imaginer entre range et MTOW réduits aussi !
    Souviens toi, le projet existait ... sauf que Airbus , avec 3 modèles, ils n'y arrivent déjà pas en ce moment... hum !

    Le A350, restera toujours un avion plus petit que le 777W (Qui peut grandir encore un peu ) !
    Pourquoi le transformer en "Eléphant" on stéroids ?
    Playing catch-up avec le 777, hum ..; Pour faire plaisir à EK !
    Je crois que ça coûterait à peine plus cher de refaire un nouvel avion ... de 400 tonnes et d'une bonne foi !

    Un A350, avec encore 20-30 tonnes de mieux ou plus, de MTOW pour faire plaisir à TC, le 350-1100 de fait, avec une nouvelle aile, un train rehaussé, et la longueur d'un A346 avec des moteurs de 100 000lbs + ?? Pour en vendre une centaine ... hum !
    Avec 3-4 millards au compteur vers 2018 ??
    Et pourquoi pas un quad !

    Le modèle actuel proposé du 350-1000 consommera 20% de moins qu'un 777-300 ER et transportra 40 et qq tonnes vers LAX je trouve que c'est plutôt bien équilibré !!

    Par contre pour le 777 un programme "modernisation" moteur à 4-5% d'écos, et une tonne de moins, (2x500) ... et 6-8 tonnes de moins sur la cellule, c'est du trés possible dans 5-6 ans !
    Et le compte y sera, le 777 est plus gros ! Les consos, c'est autre chose !

    Bien, on attend les chiffres du A350-1000 et de son moteur ... et des +/- 8000 Nm ! clown alien
    En attendant que Boeing bouge pour le 777! (Ils doivent aussi attendre de voir où va Airbus)

    JPRS


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    Whisky Charlie

    Re: Emirates ! EK ! UAE !

    Message par Admin le Lun 24 Oct 2011 - 13:46

    TC veut un avion qui fasse DUB-LAx avec 50 t de CU
    Il aura ses A380 pour le faire dès l'année prochaine à pleine charge PAX, dont avec les 50t... bon ce n'est pas un bi... mais c'est déjà ça, puisque les 777-300ER ne peuvent même pas être remplis en terme de PAX
    Il aurait voulu un A350 économe et non pas très long courrier
    Il voudrait un triple 777 amélioré
    Mais qui a dit qu'il voulait un A350 au niveau d'un 777 amélioré ? Pas lui en tout cas

    Pour le reste je te remets le lien
    http://www.noticiaslatamsales.com/en/editions/detail/oct2011/top-story/97/A350-1000-Enhancements-Make-it-More-Appealing-to-Emerging-Markets-
    C'est quand même plus ou moins une source Airbus non ?
    Charge utile supérieure au triple 7... y compris si je comprends derrière le "systematically" en terme de charge utile structurale
    Le pb de TC c'est que pour lui le nouvel A350-1000 va trop loin...



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    Beochien
    Juliet Papa

    Re: Emirates ! EK ! UAE !

    Message par Beochien le Lun 24 Oct 2011 - 14:28

    Ben, TC, il veut 50 T, sur LAX, ce sont 15-20T de fret !
    Et c'est un 777-300 ER amélioré, et il l'éspérait avec un A350 ... (Ou pas loin) pour remplacer ses 777 .... dans qq années!
    Et je doute beaucoup que John Leahy se soit engagé à ce niveau !
    Bien, qu'a force de claironner le 350-1000, comme remplaçant du 777, certains l'ont pris "Au mot" le JL tongue
    Ce serait déjà bien si le 350-1000 pouvait prendre 40 Tonnes sur LAX en 2016-17!
    Faudra voir ce que RR sort du chapeau, et s'ils ont gagné en SFC ?
    Ca peut leur coûter 3-400 millions pour commencer, ce redésign avec peut être une grosse re-certification

    Et TC, il a exprimé son déplaisir ... ben, désolé ... !!
    Et Airbus en restera là aprés les expériences A340-5-6 !
    Ou refera un A350 "Scaled up" No pour aprés 2020 !

    JPRS

    Admin
    Whisky Charlie

    Re: Emirates ! EK ! UAE !

    Message par Admin le Lun 24 Oct 2011 - 14:37

    je me partage pas ton analyse

    TC veut un 777-300ER amélioré, indépendamment de ce airbus propose
    Et il veut un A350-1000 économique
    Et perso je pense qu'on va avoir de bonnes surprises sur l'A350


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