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alain57
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F 15 Silent Eagle

Message par alain57 le Mar 31 Mar 2009 - 15:42

Boeing dévoile le F-15 Silent Eagle !   (photos sous le lien)
http://psk.blog.24heures.ch/archive/2009/03/23/boeing-devoile-le-f-15-silent-eagle.html
http://www.aerocontact.com/actualite_aeronautique_spatiale/ac-boeing-devoile-une-nouvelle-version-du-f-15-le-silent-eagle~07836.html
Boeing a dévoilé la semaine dernière à ST-Louis le F-15 Silent Eagle (F-15SE), une nouvelle configuration du F-15, conçu pour répondre aux besoins futurs des clients internationaux mais également pour l’US Air Force.

Une bonne surprise !
Le F-15 Eagle silencieux est conçu pour répondre aux besoins anticipés de la crise  à des fins de  coût-efficacité concernant des technologies de furtivité. Cette ultime version du F-15 permet avec un coût abordable de répondre aux futurs besoins de survie d’un avion de combat.

En soi, le F-15SE est une bonne surprise, et devrait permettre à Boeing d’assurer la modernisation de la flotte actuel des F-15 qui ne pourront pas dans l’immédiat être remplacé par le F-22 Raptor, dont le coût et largement supérieur. (voir billet sur le F-22).

Rien qu’aux Etats-Unis, le report d’achat des F-22, soit  (350 appareils) devrait donc permettre la modernisation de 50% des F-15 encore en service (environ 170 à 195 appareils).
Les clients potentiels du F-22 soit le Japon, la Corée du Sud et Israël, ne pourront en réalité pas remplacer l’ensemble de leur flotte de F-15 et se tourneront visiblement vers une modernisation de type F-15SE, on peut estimer que 200 à 250 appareils seraient concernés en plus de la flotte US.

Deux autres clients potentiels sont Singapour qui devrait conserver quelques F-15 malgré l’arrivée du F-35 et l’Arabie Saoudite qui conservera également cet avion pour épauler l’Eurofighter (sous réserve d’une autorisation d’exportation du Pentagone pour ce dernier !).

Les améliorations du F-15SE :
L'amélioration de la furtivité des revêtements et la signature de l'avion, sont dûs au montage de trappes qui permettent le transport des armes en interne (CFTS). La particularité résident dans le fait qu’il possible en fonction de la mission de choisir entre le transport en interne ou de revenir au transport traditionnelle, emport de carburant et armes en externes.

Le Silent Eagle sera capable de transporter en interne l’ensemble des missiles air-air, tels que des missiles AIM-9 et AIM-120,
et air-sol, des armes telles que le Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) et Small Diameter Bomb (SDB). Le niveau de charge des armes utilisées sur les versions actuelles des F-15 reste  le même avec l’installation du CFTS.

Une autre amélioration est l'aérodynamique Digital Flight Control System, qui améliore la fiabilité de l'avion et réduit le poids de la  cellule. L’adoption d’une peinture absorbante sur l’ensemble de la cellule contribue également à la diminution de la signature
radar.

Un nouveau système de guerre électronique Digital Electronic Warfare System (DEWS) qui travaille de concert avec le radar Raytheon Electronic Scanning Array (AESA)  permet une optimisation des différents capteurs et senseurs.

Calendrier du F-15 SE :
Boeing a terminé le prototype conceptuel de son F-15SE et les essais en vol pourront commencer d’ici le premier trimestre 2010, y compris les tests de lancement de missiles.

Analyse :
Boeing a donc parfaitement analysé la problématique de coût  du F-22 Raptor mais l’arrivée de la crise actuel et la contraction des moyens militaire tant aux USA qu’à l’étranger, on donc poussé l’avionneur américain à réagir aux besoins aérien en terme de technologie et de coûts. Cette solution semble être un bon compromit permettant ainsi de maintenir la production au ralentit du F-22 tout en améliorant les qualités de survies des « Bon vieux F-15 » !

Si cette recette de crise s’avère être rentable et efficace, il ne sera pas impossible qu’elle s’applique d’ici quelques années avec le F/A-18 ! Peut-être pourront alors découvrir le Silent Hornet ?

Mais attention, faire du neuf avec du vieux n’est pas à long terme rentable !


Dernière édition par alain57 le Mar 31 Mar 2009 - 22:59, édité 1 fois

cacahuette

Re: F 15 Silent Eagle

Message par cacahuette le Mar 31 Mar 2009 - 18:45

Bonsoir, un membre sur un autre forum, avait fait remarqué qu'il était difficile de parler de furtivité avec deux énormes entrée d'air de chaque côté du fuselage... Le F15 n'a pas été conçu pour être furtif. Par contre il peut faire mal à l'export. Sur ce forum (master 194) les membres pensaient qu'il s'agissait d'un fake...

alain57
Whisky Quebec

Re: F 15 Silent Eagle

Message par alain57 le Mar 31 Mar 2009 - 18:58

salut cacahuette, Boeing n'a pas fait un avion furtif type F22 ou F35 mais a réduit la signature radar (dérive incliné, missiles en soutes, pointe av qui absorbe les ondes radar..etc) du F15, tous le monde ne peut pas se payer un F22, et cela permet aux utilisateurs du F15 actuel de rendre l'avion plus efficace du fait de sa moindre signature radar.
cela permet de prolongé la carrière de ce superbe avion et d'améliorer ses capacités de survie.

cacahuette

Re: F 15 Silent Eagle

Message par cacahuette le Mar 31 Mar 2009 - 19:27

Oui je suis tout à fait d'accord sur le fait que Boeing n'a pas voulu faire du F15 un avion furtif mais juste un avion plus performant... Disons que l'appelation "Silent Eagle" est peut-être un peu exagéré et n'est que marketting.

alain57
Whisky Quebec

Re: F 15 Silent Eagle

Message par alain57 le Lun 20 Avr 2009 - 19:16

Israel interested in Silent Eagle

http://www.defpro.com/news/details/6871/

13:13 GMT, April 20, 2009 Facing soaring costs and American opposition to the integration of Israeli systems into the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the Israel Air Force is showing some interest in Boeing's new F-15 Silent Eagle (F-15SE), The Jerusalem Post reported yesterday.

The F-15SE is a new configuration of the F-15 which has undergone improvements and modifications that could give the plane a stealth capability.

Improvements in stealth include coatings and treatments to the aircraft as well as a new design for the conformal fuel tanks that allows them to carry weapons rather than fuel.

Israel operates several squadrons of F-15s, including one of 25 F-15Is, the aircraft with the longest range in the IAF.
The Silent Eagle will be capable of carrying internally air-to-air missiles, as well as air-to-ground weapons such as the Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) and Small Diameter Bomb (SDB).

Defense Ministry Director-General Pinchas Buhris was scheduled to travel to the United States on Monday for talks at the Pentagon about the F-35.

Buhris will also seek to receive assurances from the new administration that the US will continue to fund the development of the Arrow 3 missile defense system.

Israel's interest in the new F-15SE stems from a number of considerations, but primarily from expected delays in the delivery of the JSF as well as the Pentagon's opposition to Israel's request to install Israeli-made systems in the aircraft, which is under development by Lockheed Martin.

While Israel decided last year to purchase the F-35, if political disagreements over the integration of systems continued, officials said it was possible interest in the newly-modified F-15SE would increase.

The Jerusalem Post first reported on the US opposition in February. In addition, the price of the F-35 is expected to pass the $100 million mark and would only arrive in Israel - if a deal is signed in the coming months - in 2014.

According to media reports, the new F-15SE will cost less and could arrive in Israel as early as 2011.

There is also an option to upgrade existing F-15s to the Silent Eagle model at a much lower cost. The US Air
National Guard is also considering upgrading existing aircraft instead of purchasing new fifth-generation planes like the JSF and the F-22.

More information on the F-15SE "Silent Eagle":
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/6216/

Invité
Invité

F 15 Silent Eagle

Message par Invité le Ven 12 Juin 2009 - 0:27

La stratégie Silent Eagle de Boeing est en place avec un petit pas en avant
sur sa surface équivalent radar. Petits pas contrôlés par le gouvernement US
afin qu’il soit exportable. New buid ou retrofit.

L'effort, comme sur bien d'autres avions de combat, semble porter sur les
réservoirs conformes et les trappes pour armements.

Et encore plus de CDV électriques.

Les clients attendent dit l’article, et ceux du F35 ?


Sur Avia Week :

Boeing is studying the levels of radar cross-section (RCS) reduction possible with its F-15SE Silent Eagle in advance of licensing discussions with the U.S. government on possibly
exporting the stealthy fighter.

“It’s not how low can you go, it’s how low are you allowed to go, and the U.S. government controls that,” says Brad Jones, Boeing program manager for F-15 future fighters. “We can get
to different levels depending on the country.”

Trade studies under way, including RCS chamber tests, will provide data for discussions with the government on what level of frontal-aspect stealth is releasable to each country interested in the F-15SE.

The studies cover both new-build Silent Eagles and retrofit of existing F-15s with stealth features, which poses additional challenges, Jones says.

A major contributor to reducing RCS is the conformal weapons bays that replace the conformal fuel tanks now carried by F-15s. These allow a mix of air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons to be carried internally.

“We need to decide what to do in various areas across the aircraft to get to a specific level” of RCS, according to Jones. “There are many different techniques involved pending on the level of what we do and where we do it.”

Boeing is working to complete the RCS studies as soon as possible so it can start the licensing
process, he says, adding that the first request for proposals from a potential customer is expected between mid-2010 and 2011 from South Korea.

The company is hoping the U.S. government will agree to release a frontal RCS level equivalent to that offered by the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. “Internationally we are looking for a level playing field,” Jones says.

Meanwhile, trade studies are also under way for design of the F-15SE weapons bays, including whether electric, hydraulic or pneumatic power, or some combination, should be used to
actuate the doors and deploy the weapons quickly.

These studies could involve potential international partners, and may take longer, Jones says. Some potential customers are interested in using the internal bays to house other payloads, including side-looking radar and broadband electronic-warfare jammers.

Since unveiling the F-15SE in March (Aerospace DAILY, March 18), based on customer interest, Boeing has done more work on a possible retrofit option, and the effect on the range of replacing the conformal fuel tanks.




A retrofitted F-15E, with the original straight tails, would lose 220-240 nautical-miles-radius of action depending on its mission. A new-build F-15SE would lose 180-200 miles because of the
new canted tails and digital fly-by-wire and electronic warfare (EW) systems.

“We take 1,500 [U.S.] gallons off the aircraft [by removing the conformal tanks], but the digital EW shrinks three systems into one so we can put fuel back in,” Jones says. “In the
end we take 950 gallons off the aircraft.”

Digital fly-by-wire allows removal of the mechanical flight controls and saves weight and volume, while the canted tails generate lift at the back of the aircraft and allow 400-500 pounds of ballast to be removed from the nose.

Jones says Boeing still plans to fly a Silent Eagle demonstrator in early to mid-2010 to show
capability ahead of any international customer issuing a request for proposals.
“International customers want low risk, and to see us test this before an RFP,” he says.
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/STEALTH06119.xml&headline=Boeing%20Studies%20Stealth%20Eagle%20Options&channel=defense

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Invité

Re: F 15 Silent Eagle

Message par Invité le Ven 12 Juin 2009 - 0:43

Tentative de déstabilisation des pays associés ou intéressés avec le F 35 JSF ?

Cela fait plusieurs fois que Boeing insiste lourdement sur "low risk".

Bon, il s'agit de Boeing IDS ! Very Happy

sevrien
Whisky Quebec

Re: F 15 Silent Eagle

Message par sevrien le Ven 12 Juin 2009 - 1:54

C'est le genre d'action auquel Boeing peut avoir recours à ce stade! Very Happy

Poncho (Admin)
Whisky Charlie

Re: F 15 Silent Eagle

Message par Poncho (Admin) le Dim 17 Jan 2010 - 21:41

Bonsoir,

Quelques nouvelles


http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/awst/2010/01/18/AW_01_18_2010_p32-196830.xml&headline=Boeing Looks To First Silent Eagle Flight&channel=defense



Boeing Looks To First Silent Eagle Flight

Jan 17, 2010



By Amy Butler
Washington


With radar-cross-section (RCS) trials for Boeing’s Silent Eagle semi-stealthy F-15 prototype complete, company officials are now focusing on South Korea as a possible first customer.

The RCS testing took place during a two-week period last August and September, although Boeing has only just acknowledged it because of proprietary issues, says Mark Bass, vice president of F-15 programs.

The company is eyeing South Korea’s forthcoming F-X3 competition for 60 fighters as the first sales opportunity for the Silent Eagle. The South Korean parliament’s recent hesitancy about investing in all-stealth aircraft “validates our approach” with the aircraft, says Bass. The company is considering potential international co-development partners for a Silent Eagle conformal fuel tank, although no announcements have been made.

Boeing is developing the variant for international customers that already operate F-15s and are seeking additional aircraft. The system is a possible alternative for nations interested in the Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. The Silent Eagle is not as stealthy as the JSF, but it could provide flexibility for countries trying to stretch their defense dollars.

In the early days of an air campaign, the Silent Eagle can be outfitted with weapon bays suitable for carrying air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons that would be tucked inside conformal fuel tanks, thus reducing the aircraft’s front-quadrant RCS. The aircraft could then be reconfigured in hours to handle the F-15’s characteristic heavy load of weapons once early threats are removed and sustainment operations begin.

The RCS tests on F-15E1, an Air Force test asset leased to Boeing, took place at the company’s anechoic chamber in St. Louis. Various coatings were evaluated and a final candidate has been selected and applied to the appropriate portions of the airframe. Testing produced the desired results, he said. Bass declined to provide details on the coating or the precise RCS numbers.

The RCS testing took place with the standard vertical fins on the F-15, not the 15-deg. canted structures unveiled last year by Boeing (AW&ST Mar. 23, 2009, p. 29). Data needed about an optional canted tail can be gathered mathematically, Bass says.

The RCS testing is a step leading toward first flight, which is slated for late July. Boeing had planned first flight for the first quarter of 2010, but slipped the milestone to allow for the inclusion of suggestions from prospective customers regarding upfront design work.

Following first flight, the focus will shift to demonstrating the ability of the conformal tank to safely deploy an Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile. The test is slated to be conducted at roughly 20,000 ft. at Mach 0.6, a benign scenario for the first shot. This demonstration will likely occur in July or early August, says Bass.

In the meantime, Boeing has applied for an export license and expects a ruling this spring.

Following the weapons demo, the team will turn its attention toward marketing and sales. Bass says the company has not tempered its hope of selling 190 Silent Eagles despite lackluster support from Israel, which is aggressively pursuing the F-35.

South Korea is expected to issue a request for proposals by early 2011 for new fighters. At a later date, Saudi Arabia may accept solicitations to replace up to 80 early model F-15s, says Bass. Singapore is also a possible customer.

Boeing has cited a rough cost for Silent Eagle of $100 million per aircraft, although that would depend on factors such as co-development plans that have not yet been established.


Au menu :
a) les essais de sections équivalentes radar... ils ont été effectués
b) premier vol T1 2010 et essai de la soute à armement implantée dans les réservoirs conformes transformés
c) 190 exemplaires visés... dont la corée du sud.

Le F15 est une solution intermédiaire entre les avions standards et les avions stealth...

Un peu comme le Rafale

Bonne soirée


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Re: F 15 Silent Eagle

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Whisky Charlie

Re: F 15 Silent Eagle

Message par jullienaline le Jeu 8 Juil 2010 - 22:57

Bonsoir à tous,

Boeing s'attend à recevoir sa licence d'exportation pour l'appareil d'ici la fin du mois.
Comme client, la Corée du Sud est toujours dans le collimateur et pourrait même être celui de lancement.

Boeing Anticipates Approval To Export F-15 Silent Eagle



Boeing expects to receive an export license for its new F-15SE Silent Eagle within the month, a development that brings the company to openly pitch the jet to South Korea as a potential launch customer.

The Chicago-based defense giant has been in tentative talks with Seoul about the aircraft over the last year. However, it has not been able to openly market the semi-stealthy jet to international customers until it received clearance from the U.S. Government to sell low-observable technology abroad.

Boeing now expects to receive a government license to market the jet to foreign countries this month following a review of the jet's stealth technology by the U.S. Government, according to Brad Jones, Boeing's F-15SE program manager.

South Korea "has asked for information on Silent Eagle so now we've applied for the [license] and we hope to get that before the end of the month," said Jones, after a July company briefing with reporters in Arlington, VA. "As soon as the export license is provided, then I can provide [marketing] information to a country."

South Korea requested information on the jet in late 2009 and Boeing submitted its application to market the jet internationally in early 2010, according to company spokesman Damien Mills.

When the jet was unveiled in 2009, it was seen as a potential option to hedge against a possible fighter gap facing the U.S. Air National Guard, which may have to retire its oldest F-16s and F-15s before it is fully equipped with the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

However, in the year since, the Air Force has made it clear that it does not want to invest in any new fighter other than the F-35.

Boeing is pitching the Silent Eagle as a customizable fighter that can be outfitted with a host of upgrades, including active electronically scanned array radars, radar absorbent coatings, large digital cockpit displays, fly-by-wire software, canted tails and bolt-on internal weapons bays.

The price of each jet will depend on the equipment purchased by each government, according to Jones. While the radar, advanced avionics and even the weapon bays can be retrofitted to existing F-15s, the canted tails may have to be installed on new jets as they are built.
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4699220&c=AIR&s=TOP

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Re: F 15 Silent Eagle

Message par jullienaline le Lun 12 Juil 2010 - 18:42

Bonjour à tous,

Premier vol de l'appareil.

Boeing F-15 Silent Eagle Demonstrator Makes 1st Flight



ST. LOUIS, July 9, 2010 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] Silent Eagle flight demonstrator aircraft F-15E1 completed a successful first flight on July 8 from Lambert St. Louis International Airport. During the 80-minute flight, F-15E1 opened and closed its left-side Conformal Weapons Bay, which contained an AIM-120 Instrumented Test Vehicle (ITV) missile. The ITV was not launched.
"The Silent Eagle demonstration flight validated our initial engineering design approach," said Boeing F-15 Development Programs Director Brad Jones. "Our intent was to verify all systems are operational in a flight environment. This flawless flight allows us to move into the next phase. In the next couple of weeks, we will ferry F-15E1 to the test range and launch an AIM-120."
"Everything about the flight went according to plan," said Boeing F-15 Chief Test Pilot Dan Draeger. "We saw nothing unusual during the flight, and we cleared the desired flight envelope needed to fire the missile at the test range; that is pretty much unheard of on a first flight."
The Silent Eagle is an innovative design solution developed in response to international customer requirements for a cost-effective, high-performance fighter aircraft to defend against future threats. The F-15SE offers unique aerodynamic, avionic and Radar Cross Section reduction features that provide the user with maximum flexibility to dominate the ever-changing advanced threat environment. The aircraft's Conformal Weapons Bays can carry a variety of air-to-air missiles and air-to-ground weapons.
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1304

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Re: F 15 Silent Eagle

Message par Poncho (Admin) le Lun 12 Juil 2010 - 22:55

Bonsoir Jullienaline

Je pense que cette variante est quand même très rusée...
Les soutes de réservoir conforme sont rétrofittables ce qui peut intéressé par mal de monde.

Reste à implémenter la poussée vectorielle dans le même package... de mémoire ça a du être testé sur le F15 Wink

bonne soirée


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Whisky Quebec

Re: F 15 Silent Eagle

Message par Paul le Ven 6 Nov 2015 - 15:10

Un cadeau des américains pour faire avaler l'accord avec l'Iran.

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Whisky Charlie

Re: F 15 Silent Eagle

Message par Poncho (Admin) le Ven 6 Nov 2015 - 17:38

C'est une affirmation ou une question ?

Cadeau cadeau ? le F15 a besoin de commandes lui aussi


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Whisky Quebec

Re: F 15 Silent Eagle

Message par Paul le Ven 6 Nov 2015 - 19:49

J'ai lu quelque part il y a quelques semaines qu'Israel recevrait 2 ou 3B$ d'armement des USA comme compensation si l'accord avec l'Iran est ratifié. À l'époque il était question de F-35, mais les besoins d'Israel sont peut-être plus pressant.

Paul
Whisky Quebec

Re: F 15 Silent Eagle

Message par Paul le Ven 6 Nov 2015 - 19:56


Beochien
Whisky Charlie

Re: F 15 Silent Eagle

Message par Beochien le Ven 6 Nov 2015 - 20:29

Zauront peut être les 2, chacun en son temps ...

Le F15 Silent Eagle, reste une trés puissante et rapide plateforme, pratiquement disponible, et posséde 2 moteurs et un poil plus d'autonomie** que le F.35 qui a dans les 6-700 Nm, vu le peu d'amis d'Israel dans la zone, ça compte !
Le Stealth est relatif et plutôt "Frontal" mais c'est déjà qq chose pour atteindre l'objectif !
Et comme dans 10 ans, les radars Russes verront les Stealth (C'est mon idée) .. priorité aux brouillages et autres auto défenses ....
TLV-THR, 850 Nm, ça tombe pile pour le F-15, avec en plus un ravito dans le nord d'Israel, et à 40 000 pieds, ça doit même permettre de zig zaguer un peu, entre les couvertures radar  ..;

Philidor
Whisky Quebec

Re: F 15 Silent Eagle

Message par Philidor le Dim 8 Nov 2015 - 12:06

N'est-elle pas encore au stade du papier, cette nouvelle version ? A-t-elle d'autres commandes ?

Beochien
Whisky Charlie

Re: F 15 Silent Eagle

Message par Beochien le Dim 8 Nov 2015 - 12:30

Démonstrateur non volant (Du moins dans sa forme définitive)  ... mais tout est prêt  ...
Le Stealth semble bien compter d'abord sur la "peinture" et l'anglage des gouvernes !
Mais bon, le chassis est bien connu, et rien d'extraordinaire, ça ira vite si la première cde tombe !
Je crois bien que les essais sont faits sur F15, pour les réservoirs ou soutes "conformales"

http://aviationweek.com/blog/will-silent-eagle-get-kicked-out-nest

Et là un essai sur un demonstrateur (Mais il n'a pas la queue ouverte à 15° sur la photo !)

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2010/ss_military0695_07_22.asp

Paul
Whisky Quebec

Re: F 15 Silent Eagle

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Re: F 15 Silent Eagle

Message par Poncho (Admin) le Dim 8 Nov 2015 - 22:29

Merci pour le rappel
Une partie de ce qui est développé pour le silent eagle peut peut être se retrofitter.

Par contre perdre les réservoirs conformes au profit de baies internes ne doit pas être neutre pour l'autonomie de la bête


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