ACTUALITE Aéronautique : Suivi et commentaire de l\'actualité aéronautique
Beochien a écrit:
Ohé Elmer ... !!
Aprés les mises en ventes d'avions par lots ...
Qu'estce qui leur reste aux italiens ??
Rasta' a écrit:Plus ça va, plus je me dis que Lufthansa pousse délibérément AF dans le guêpier Alitalia pour mieux tirer les marrons du feu par ailleurs.
Le seul truc que je ne comprends pas c'est ce qu'il va advenir du fameux partenariat Lufthansa-Air One.
pascal83 a écrit:Maintenat sur le LC alitalia va devoir re developper son reseau et faire accelerer la commande d'A330 et certainement lever l'option des autres A330.
Elle devra aussi revendre les 777 qui son maintenant vetuste et depasser.
Oui....wider access to Europe's fourth biggest travel market after years of courtship.
On les annonce avnt, et ne les compte jamais après l'événement. Peu crédibles (mais c'est le cas dans toutes ces opérations).synergies with Air France-KLM worth EUR720 million for Alitalia over the next three years.
Oui.....quick route into Italy's busy aviation market, which meshes business routes in the north with heavy Rome tourist traffic.
Pipeau diplomatique, ... usuel après l'événement !Alitalia chief executive Rocco Sabelli said the French airline was the natural choice, starting with its deep knowledge of the Italian airline due to their longtime partnership.
Rappel : Il est fallacieux de présenter AF-KLM, comme l'ont fait les media français, comme le plus grand actionnaire d'Alitalia. Enfantin, même. Certes, ...le plus grand actionnaire individuel. Mais les 75% (ou 80%) en face sont réuni comme un srul actionnaire dans un pacte qui durera 4 ans (avec effet, e réalité, pour une 5ème année). D'ici là, on aura la temps de voir !Alitalia,....will be formally relaunched on Tuesday as a smaller, regional carrier with fewer staff and a revamped network, under the ownership of the CAI group of investors that Colaninno heads.
Cela veut dire qu'AF n'aura pas le droit de tripoter les récentes commandes fermes.Alitalia will also be integrating recently acquired domestic rival Air One, allowing it to cut the average age of its fleet.
C'est le pacte d'actionnaires précité.The Air France-KLM deal will not prevent Alitalia from managing its affairs autonomously, Colaninno said, adding that a lock-up arrangement would prevent Italian investors owning Alitalia from selling their stake to the French for four years.
For Alitalia, the French alliance gives the newly restructured airline much needed backing on an international stage and a more prominent role within the Skyteam alliance.
Alitalia's dominance in the Italian domestic market will drive traffic to Air France-KLM's intercontinental network.However the deal is against a backdrop of falling passenger and cargo traffic that has triggered an industry crisis.
Ce qui correspond davantage à une participation nette de 2% du capital et des droits de vote, à une nette de 25% (à voir, donc).AF-KLM will control 3 out of 19 Alitalia board seats.
Important. Comment vont-les 'compter' ? Terrain miné !Alitalia could decide to go public in an IPO after three years. The deal with Air France KLM also includes a clause that allows the Italian carrier to end the agreement if at least 50 percent of the expected synergies are not achieved.
Oui ! On dirait que LHA a poussé AF-KLM vers cette participation d'investisseur direct !Alitalia faces growing competition on its home turf from a new high-speed train service in Italy and the reshaped carrier has yet to prove it will not be stymied by the political and union problems that have beset it until now.
(Reuters)
elmer a écrit:La flotte actuelle (source ATDB) :
10 777-200ER
9 767-300ER
23 A321
11 A320
12 A319
45 MD-82
Alitalia Express :
6 E170
Pour info, la flotte d'Air One :
2 A330-200
26 A320
14 737-400
4 737-300
En commande :
12 A350-800
12 A330-200
44 A320
Rappel utile.Air France-KLM buys 25% of Alitalia
By Guy Dinmore, Kevin Done and Vincent Boland
Published: January 12 2009 17:33 | Last updated: January 12 2009 20:18
After once describing Italy's state-controlled Alitalia as in need of an exorcist, Air France-KLM on Monday bought a 25 per cent stake from the airline's new private owners for €322m ($432m).
Oui ! Voir les remarques de beochien.For many Italians, especially those whose winter travel plans were wrecked by yet another round of Alitalia's industrial action, last month's sale of the government's 49.9 per cent stake and the link with Europe's biggest airline is a relief, albeit a very expensive one.
'Prime de stratégie'de 40%, pour 20% ou 25% d'Alitalia ? De stratégie ? ! AF (et je dis bien AF !) a dû vraiment vouloir cette participation ! Tout ça pour dire "I'm back on top of the heap" / "Je suis de nouveau au sommet du tas ! "Sources close to the deal said Air France-KLM was paying a 40 per cent premium to what CAI, the private consortium, paid for the rump of Alitalia last month.
(i) Est-il vrai par exemple, donc, qu'AF-KLM ait eu accès à ces Business Plans, alors que LHA se serait vu refuser cette possibilité d'accès ? Ce serait étonnant !Letizia Moratti, mayor of Milan, said on Monday that Lufthansa had made "an offer" to become Alitalia's partner and she urged CAI to examine it. However, one person with knowledge of the issue said the German airline had only written to CAI outlining its willingness to make an offer and seeking access to Alitalia's business plans - a condition that was unacceptable to CAI.
Lien:Quand c'est AF, ...c'est différent, .....c'est spécial ! Eh, oui ! AF, ..., ..."what else" ?
Pas un événement heureux, cette affaire de reprise de la nouvelle Alitalia par AF-KLM, du moins, ... losquer vue par les yeux de personnes "lettrées" sur le plan financier, et qui ont des critères d'appréciation plus fins que les notions de "Being Top o' the Heap" ou "I'm bigger than you again" !The inglorious Alitalia imbroglio has finally reached its end. Having teetered on the brink of collapse for the best part of a decade, the Italian carrier re-launches this week. That Air France-KLM has paid some €320m for a 25 per cent stake is a further vote of confidence in its future. That should make its take-off an entirely happy event for all. Sadly, it is not.
To see why, go back to last March, when Air France offered €140m for the airline in a takeover that would also have assumed its €1.2bn of debt. However, Silvio Berlusconi, prime minister, blocked that deal on patriotic grounds. In December, after Alitalia went bust, an Italian consortium paid €427m for the bits of the company that worked, combining them with local carrier, Air One. Now, a month later, its Air France deal values that same company at over €1.2bn.
Nice work: in less than a month, the consortium has tripled the value of its investment.
As for Air France, expected synergies from the tie-up are about €280m a year.
Its quarter share of those savings, taxed and capitalised, more than cover the acquisition cost of its stake.
Italy, however, comes out only evens.
The country gets to keep an “Italian” airline – in much the same way that Swiss, owned by Lufthansa, is “Swiss”.
Some international routes out of Italy will be kept that might otherwise have been lost, and perhaps some jobs could be saved as a result.
But by combining Air One and Alitalia, the result is a less competitive internal air market – and higher air fares.
Italy is also left with some €600m of debt, attached to the bad Alitalia, that would not exist if Berlusconi had allowed the Air France deal last year.
The price for patriotism is a bill that .....taxpayers will have to meet.
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par Invité Lun 12 Jan 2009 - 7:27