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    Message par art_way Mer 15 Avr 2009 - 13:47

    Un report de B787, A380 et de B777 pour économiser 1 milliard de dollars

    China Southern Delays A380s, 787s, Saving $1 Billion


    By Neil Denslow




    April 15 (Bloomberg) -- China Southern Airlines Co., the
    nation’s biggest carrier, will save $1 billion this year by
    delaying deliveries of Airbus SAS A380s and Boeing Co. 787s to
    pare growth amid the global recession.
    The 13 787s and five A380s will now arrive from 2011, Board
    Secretary Xie Bing said today in Hong Kong. The carrier is also
    in talks to postpone four Boeing 777 freighters due this year,
    said Chief Financial Officer Xu Jiebo.
    China Southern, the nation’s only A380 customer, and other
    Chinese carriers have slowed growth on overseas routes as
    business and leisure travelers pare trips on the slowing economy.
    The delays will hit Airbus and Boeing as the planemakers had
    counted on orders in China, Asia’s biggest aviation market, to
    help offset plunging demand in Europe and the U.S.
    China Southern and its parent are also seeking further
    funds from the government to help pare debts, Chairman Si
    Xianmin said. Last year, the airline’s state-controlled parent
    won a 3 billion yuan ($439 million) capital injection after
    lobbying the government for more than two years, according to Si.
    “How much we can get is up to the government,” Si said at
    a press conference. The parents of Air China Ltd. and China
    Eastern Airlines Corp. are also seeking government money, he
    added.
    Slower Growth
    China Eastern has also cut growth plans this year as it
    struggles with debt and overcapacity. Shanghai Airlines Co. was
    also in talks with Boeing about possibly canceling 787 orders
    because of quality problems, Chairman Zhou Chi said on March 26.
    Airbus may fail to meet its target of delivering 18 A380s
    this year. The planemaker may only hand over 15 this year,
    according to Bloomberg survey of A380 customers earlier this
    month. Qantas Airways Ltd. is deferring four A380s, it said
    earlier this week.
    China Southern had planned to use the A380 superjumbos,
    previously due to arrive from last year, to fly from Beijing to
    cities including Paris, London and New York. The 787s were
    earmarked for services including Guangzhou-Vancouver.
    The carrier is due to receive 49 new planes this year,
    including the four 777 freighters it’s seeking to delay. It also
    plans to sell off or retire 23 older aircraft, as it replaces
    widebody planes with narrowbody A320s and 737s.
    “We’ll complete restructuring our fleet in three to five
    years,” said Si.
    The fleet should grow to 375 planes by the end of the year
    from 348 at the end of last year, Xu said. The carrier will
    spend 15.8 billion yuan on new planes this year, he added.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=conewsstory&refer=conews&tkr=BA%3AUS&sid=amE36F_o4i0w


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    Message par aubla Lun 12 Oct 2009 - 9:00

    Une croissance à 2 chiffres en septembre 2009 par rapport à il y a un an.
    Un nouveau signe de la reprise ?

    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/10/12/333324/china-southern-posts-10-growth-in-september.html
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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Ven 13 Nov 2009 - 16:58

    Bonjour

    Etonnant...

    http://www.atwonline.com/news/other.html?issueDate=11%2F13%2F2009


    China Southern Airlines Chairman Si Xianmin recently admitted that high-speed rail is a more attractive option for passengers because of its better safety record, convenience and lower fares. "We have more than 160 domestic routes, with about 38 competing against high-speed rail. Most of China's big cities and secondary cities will be connected by high-speed rail by 2020, which will have a big impact on domestic carriers," he said. In response, CZ intends to expand its international network and allocate more capacity to profitable international routes. It plans to raise its proportion of international routes from the current 17% to 20% in the next 3-5 years.


    by Katie Cantle.

    Le train à grande vitesse taille des croupières aux lignes intérieures chinoises...
    Sachant que ces lignes constituent l'assise de ces compagnies, et notamment pour China Southern

    Pour mémoire, en Europe la barrière actuelle c'est 800 km environ (3h).
    Ce qui n'empêche pas pour le moment les LCC de se développer.

    De la même manière, certaines liaisons peuvent encore avoir leur raison d'être pour des correspondance vers des vols internationaux (ex Lyon- CDG...)

    Bonne journée


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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Mar 12 Juil 2011 - 14:19

    bonjour à tous

    China Southern va déployer ses A380-800 sur des routes domestiques

    Les 506 places (8+70+428) de l'A380 seront dans un premier temps utilisés entre Pekin-Guangzhou and Pekin-Shanghai Hongqiao

    Et ensuite sur Guanzhou paris

    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/07/12/359365/china-southern-to-operate-a380-on-domestic-routes.html


    China Southern Airlines will operate its new Airbus A380s on daily domestic Beijing-Guangzhou and Beijing-Shanghai Hongqiao services.
    This would make the SkyTeam alliance member the first operator of the superjumbo to deploy the aircraft on domestic routes. This is due to high domestic demand for air services on both routes, said a company official.
    The other existing A380 operators - Singapore Airlines, Lufthansa, Qantas Airways, Air France and Korean Air - only deploy them on international services.

    China Southern will receive its first A380 in September and its second A380 in November, the airline's chairman Si Xianmin told Air Transport Intelligence in June.
    Ticket sales for both domestic services will begin on 20 September, but a decision has not been made on when services will begin, said the company official.
    China Southern's first international A380 service will be on the Guangzhou-Paris route, added the official.
    The airline could increase the frequency on all three A380 services by end-2011.
    It could also operate the aircraft on services to the USA, Si told ATI in June.

    Nota : il semble qu'EK a été oublié dans l'article et que justement EK fait du court courrier ponctuellement avec ses A380 également (http://www.tradearabia.com/news/TTN_172296.html)

    Pour les distances

    Pekin Canton = 1010 Nm
    Pekin shanghai = 580 Nm

    C'est pas long



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    Message par Beochien Mar 12 Juil 2011 - 14:27

    Merci JF !

    Oui et ce qui m'étonne le plus, c'est une densité assez faible deces A380 pour du Court - Moyen Courrier !
    Ils auraient pû facilement mettre 600 pax pour ces liaisons !
    Un changement de planification, certainement !
    Les temps de rotation, vont être intéressants à mesurer !

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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Mar 12 Juil 2011 - 14:32

    Ce qui est surtout intéressant c'est qu'ils n'ont commandés que 5 avions

    S'ils s'en servent aussi pour du domestique, ben il va leur en falloir plus Wink et effectivement peut-etre en plus dense

    Cela dit ils ont 4 777-200 un peu dense 374 places, le reste est en dessous de 300 places même pour les A330-300 ... donc + de 500 places ça permet de mettre deux avions dans un sillon

    Ne pas oublier aussi que China Southern fait partie de Skyteam Wink


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    Message par art_way Ven 21 Oct 2011 - 8:57

    Vous pensez que c'est China Southern qui repousse réellement ? scratch

    China Southern repousse la livraison de ses 787


    Publié le 21 octobre 2011 à 08h30 par François Duclos dans Actualité, Technologie - 0 commentaire



    La compagnie aérienne China Southern Airlines a décidé de repousser de sept mois la livraison de ses Boeing 787 Dreamliner.

    Alors qu’elle devait recevoir son premier Dreamliner en décembre
    prochain, la compagnie chinoise s’est entendue avec le constructeur
    américain pour repousser cette date à juillet 2012.
    China Southern Airlines avait passé commande en 2005 pour dix 787-8,
    avec livraison prévue en 2008. Les trois ans de retard pris par le
    programme avaient provoqué le courroux du PDG de la compagnie, qui
    mentionnait même en 2010 une possible annulation de la commande. Son
    premier exemplaire est actuellement en cours d’assemblage dans les
    usines d’Everett.

    La compagnie de l’alliance SkyTeam devait être la
    première compagnie chinoise à recevoir le nouvel appareil, et devait le
    déployer sur de nouvelles routes comme Londres – Guangzhou. Et si Boeing
    annonçait en septembre vouloir vendre plus de Dreamliner en Chine, China Eastern Airlines a annoncé mercredi renoncer à ses 24 Dreamliner, achetant dans la foulée quinze Airbus A330.

    Le Dreamliner, qui vient d’être enfin livré à sa compagnie de lancement All Nippon Airways, a également été commandé par les transporteurs chinois Air China (15), Xiamen Airlines (filiale de China Southern Airlines, 6) et Hainan Airlines (Cool.
    http://www.air-journal.fr/2011-10-21-china-southern-repousse-la-livraison-de-ses-787-537883.html


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    Message par Beochien Ven 21 Oct 2011 - 10:02

    Je regarderais peut être du côté des GEnx pour China Southern !
    PIP1, PIP 2, c'est pour courant 2012 :
    Et quand on attend 3-4 ans, on peu avoir envie d'un moteur correct non ??

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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Dim 23 Oct 2011 - 22:40

    Bonsoir,

    Quelques photos sympa de l'intérieur de l'A380 de China Southern

    http://biztravelguru.com/blogs/business-travel-news/archive/2011/10/20/china-southern-airlines-a380-interior-cabin-photos.aspx


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    Message par Beochien Lun 16 Jan 2012 - 8:43

    Bonjour !

    Les plans de China Southern, rapportés par Ben Sandilands sur Crickey !
    La Guerre des A380 sur l'Asie aura bien lieu ...
    Melbourne et Perth en plus, côté Australie !
    Le quasi "Monopole" des A380 de EK et SIA vat être attaqué de toutes parts en Asie!

    -------- Le lien Crickey et un extrait -------------

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2012/01/16/china-southern-takes-on-kangaroo-routes-with-canton-routes-to-london-paris-and-amsterdam/

    China Southern takes on kangaroo routes with Canton routes to London, Paris and Amsterdam
    January 16, 2012 – 2:05 pm, by Ben Sandilands

    Move over Emirates, it seems China Southern is not only keen to sponsor high profile Australian events, but is turning its plans to make Guangzhou a hub for through flights to Europe a reality, soon!

    This is what the airline said last night:

    China Southern Airlines has introduced the Canton Route to Europe, capitalising on new scheduled services from its Guangzhou hub to London Heathrow in June.

    Announcing the new three flights a week schedule in Sydney, China Southern Executive Vice President He Zongkai said he hoped the Canton Route would become as popular as the Kangaroo Route for Australians travelling to London and Europe.

    “This June we will launch a new Guangzhou-London air service and increase flight frequencies on our Guangzhou-Paris and Guangzhou-Amsterdam services to make Guangzhou an ideal transfer hub between Australia and Europe,” he said.

    “I would like to call this air link the Canton Route.”

    Mr He is leading a high-powered China Southern delegation for the 2012 Sydney Festival, which China Southern has joined as a leading sponsor and official airline. He is to be joined later in the Festival by China Southern’s President and CEO, Mr Tan Wangeng.

    He told thousands of Sydneysiders attending the popular Summer Sounds in the Domain concert on Saturday night that China Southern saw its support for the Sydney Festival as an important way to strengthen relations with NSW and the rest of Australia.

    “Since last year, China Southern Airlines has operated double daily flights between Sydney and Guangzhou,” Mr He said.

    “We have increased the frequency of our Melbourne-Guangzhou service to double daily, extended our Brisbane-Guangzhou route to Beijing, and launched a new Perth–Guangzhou-Beijing service with three weekly flights.

    “China Southern presently operates 35 weekly flights from Australia to Guangzhou … and we expect that by the end of 2015 we will operate more than 110 weekly round-trip flights from Australia.”

    These plans would eclipse the current size of the Emirates network to Australia in three years.
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    Message par aeroduO5 Ven 20 Jan 2012 - 18:35

    Il faut dire que leur hub est très bien placé pour la route kangourou.

    D'un point de vue géographique (et donc pour les temps de vol) on ne peut pas faire mieux.
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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Mer 12 Sep 2012 - 10:06

    Bonjour à tous

    l'A380 de CZ sera opéré sur PEK-CDG en partage de code avec Air china
    En attendant los angeles

    China Southern, Air China to codeshare on A380 Beijing-Paris route
    By: Katie Cantle
    China Southern Airlines (CZ) and Air China (CA) have agreed to codeshare on the Beijing (PEK) to Paris route using an Airbus A380 from October, according to CA CEO Cai Jianjiang, pending regulatory approval.

    An industry insider said both carriers would also consider setting up a future joint venture to share operating expenses and revenues.

    CZ, which ordered five Airbus A380s, has taken delivery of three of the type. It is scheduled to introduce the fourth aircraft this month and the fifth one in January (ATW Daily News, Oct. 17, 2011).

    CZ operates two A380s on the PEK-Guangzhou (CAN) route and one on the PEK-Hong Kong route (ATW Daily News, Aug. 16). The carrier’s board secretary Xie Bing said in a recent conference call that CZ reported a net loss of CNY100 million ($15.8 million) for operating the A380 on these two domestic routes in the first half, which is why it is now turning to international routes.

    In July, the Guangzhou-based carrier announced it will operate the A380 on its CAN-Los Angeles route from Oct.12 to accelerate its international expansion pace (ATW Daily News, July 27).



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    Message par Beochien Ven 10 Mai 2013 - 19:32

    Bon, après l'ostracisme développé par Air China pour toute liaison vers Beijing ...

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324744104578472803435418578.html

    China Southern ouvre de nouvelles routes pour ses A380 !
    Guangzhou - Sydney maintenant !

    Développé sur A.net !

    http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/5748964/
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    Message par patrick1956 Mar 3 Déc 2013 - 15:22

    peu être pour concurrencer les cies du golfe
       http://www.air-journal.fr/2013-12-03-china-southern-partage-ses-codes-avec-qantas-591712.html
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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Jeu 6 Mar 2014 - 8:42

    Copie d'un message de Patrick1956

    Sympa pour les passagers
    http://www.air-journal.fr/2014-03-05-un-missile-nord-coreen-a-frole-un-airbus-a321-de-china-southern-airlines-5100513.html


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    Message par Philidor Ven 7 Mar 2014 - 17:44

    Source : Séoul. Il faut faire la part de la guerre de propagande entre les deux Corée.
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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Ven 7 Mar 2014 - 18:44

    Oui oui
    Surtout qu'on est loin du near miss...


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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Lun 5 Jan 2015 - 16:07

    Un peu de rififi chez China Southern ?

    http://www.4-traders.com/CHINA-SOUTHERN-AIRLINES-C-6497362/news/China-Southern-Airlines--RESIGNATION-OF-DIRECTOR-AND-REMOVAL-OF-SENIOR-MANAGEMENT-19616792/

    On 5 January 2015, the Company received a notice from China Southern Air Holding Company, its controlling shareholder, that a case on file for investigation against Mr. Xu Jie Bo, the Executive Director, Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Chief Accountant of the Company and Mr. Zhou Yue Hai, the Executive Vice President of the Company, have been placed due to the suspicion of job-related crime.
    Mr. Xu Jie Bo has tendered his resignation in respect of his directorship with the Company with effect from today. Mr. Xu confirms that he has no disagreement in any respect with the board of directors of the Company (the "Board") and the Company, and there is no matter relating to his resignation that should be brought to the attention of the shareholders of the Company.


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    Message par Beochien Ven 2 Sep 2016 - 20:34

    China Southern ajoute à sa flotte un A321 en location ...
    Pas significatif, mais ...

    700ème avion, 4 ème Cie mondiale, derrière 3 US ! (Pas trop clair, si c'est actuel ou historique ... perso j'en vois un peu plus de 500 ??)

    J'ajoute après vérif, peut être pas trop sérieux, ces Chinois en Espagnol ...!

    Et 1000 avions projetés, pour 2020 Holé 160 M.Pax !
    Et une croissance surtout à l'Int'l ...

    Bon, je n'ai pas vu beaucoup de cdes d'ici 2020, alors, à venir ou à louer ??

    http://spanish.china.org.cn/economic/txt/2016-09/03/content_39222238.htm

    https://www.planespotters.net/airline/China-Southern-Airlines

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Southern_Airlines

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