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    Message par 87_Arnac Lun 19 Oct 2009 - 15:26

    Bonjour tout le monde

    J'ose créer un petit sujet pour rebondir sur un article de Flighthglobal que je vien de consulter...

    Intéressant de lire la conclusion de la NASA sur la nature des matériaux pour une telle application.
    C'est évidemment pas transposable au monde de l'aéronautique...


    NASA: Aluminium-lithium Orion better than composites
    By Stephen Trimble
    A NASA programme manager confirms aluminium-lithium remains the favoured material to serve as the primary structure for the Orion crew module despite an ongoing, two-year programme to develop a mostly composite alternative.

    A switch to a relatively unknown structural material would force NASA to invest in a risky and uncertain certification programme in order to fly a human-rated habitation module in space, says Mike Kirsch, programme manager for the composite crew module programme.

    "We don't have that much experience certifying composites," Kirsch says. "So there is some uncertainty in scoping the amount that's required to certify this."

    Some NASA officials, including former administrator Michael Griffin, promoted composite materials as a potentially superior materials technology compared to even advanced metal alloys, such as aluminium-lithium.

    These supporters launched the composite crew module programme for NASA and its contractors to gain practical experience designing and manufacturing the technology for a human-rated spacecraft.

    Last year, Michael Saemisch, a Lockheed Orion team member, blamed the composite programme for delaying the preliminary design review of the aluminium-lithium Orion module by several months.

    Composites technology has gained widespread use in the aerospace sector as a stronger material than aluminium that can also be lighter and less expensive to manufacture.

    By many measures, the composite crew vehicle designed and manufactured by NASA and an industry team led by ATK has been a success. ATK's composites plant in Iuka, Mississippi, delivered the module to the NASA Langley Research Center on 11 September, says Steve Summitt, ATK's programme manager.

    In pressure tests to date, the module has performed "scary close" to analytical predictions, Kirsch says. Structural testing is scheduled to continue until the end of the year.

    But the design process also revealed unexpected weaknesses for composites technology. The final design weighs about the same as aluminium-lithium, and is not significantly cheaper, Kirsch says. "I don't think it would be better," he adds.

    The NASA design assumed the pressurised structure must remain leak-proof and intact despite sustaining heavy damage, he says. This design requirement added bulk to the structure, negating some of the weight-savings normally expected with composites.

    Moreover, the crew module must sustain 31,751kg (70,000lb) loads during the abort sequence, requiring a material that remains strong against loads from multiple directions, whereas composite material is best when needed to be stiff against loads coming from only one direction, Kirsch says.


    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/10/19/333602/nasa-aluminium-lithium-orion-better-than-composites.html

    Très intéressant.

    Héphaistos doit forcément être très content depuis sa forge !


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    Message par aubla Lun 19 Oct 2009 - 15:39

    pour construire ORION, nouveau véhicule spatial habité de la NASA,
    l'alliage aluminium-lithium serait-il supérieur aux composites ?

    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/10/19/333602/nasa-aluminium-lithium-orion-better-than-composites.html

    Les avantages apparents des composites (poids, facilité d'usinage, coût . . .) disparaitraient quand toutes les contraintes de résistance sont prises en compte.
    Ne voit-on pas là ce qui est en train de se passer avec le B787 ?
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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Lun 19 Oct 2009 - 15:47

    Merci Aubla...

    Je vois que vous et 87_Arnac êtes sur la même longueur d'onde, ou en tout cas sur les mêmes interrogations...


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    Message par jullienaline Lun 21 Déc 2009 - 18:53

    Bonjour à tous,

    Pour rebondir sur l'article précédent, le Composite Crew Module (CCM), l'alternative en composite de la capsule Orion, poursuit son développement. Elle aurait passé avec succès des tests grandeurs natures de résistance.
    Qu'en pensez-vous cher 87_Arnac ?

    Au passage, l'article parle d'un logiciel , HyperSizer, dont le but est de dimenssionner au plus juste les structures en composites.
    Il est apparemment utilisé par beaucoup d'entreprises, principalement américaines.
    Quelqu'un le connait-il ?

    Composite Crew Module passes critical NASA tests

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    Collier Research Corp. (Hampton, Va. USA) has announced that a series of critical, full-scale, physical tests just completed by NASA on the Composite Crew Module (CCM) proved that Collier's HyperSizer structural sizing and composite analysis software accurately predicted the CCM's successful performance under simulated flight conditions.
    The CCM is an all-composite alternative for the flight crew module Orion, which is part of NASA's Constellation program to return man to the Moon and/or Mars. The successful outcome of the recent tests is seen as a major milestone in the design of human-rated spacecraft that points towards increased use of lightweight composites in space vehicles.
    HyperSizer software was used throughout the almost three-year project to optimize the design, weight and manufacturability of the CCM, which is constructed of honeycomb sandwich and solid laminate composites. The tests were conducted by the NASA Engineering and Safety Center (NESC) at Langley Research Center (Langley, Va. USA), which is using the CCM project to study materials tradeoffs between metals and composites in space structures.
    "The CCM is an alternative for the metallic crew module, but it has also represented an opportunity for the NASA family to get up the curve on experience with composites," said CCM project manager Mike Kirsch. "Our analytical models predicted the response very well and now we're much better informed to make good material tradeoffs for future spacecraft."
    HyperSizer is a structural sizing and design optimization tool that works in a feedback loop with finite element analysis (FEA) to automatically search for solutions that minimize weight and maximize manufacturability. For the CCM, HyperSizer guided design and manufacturing decisions throughout the product development process.
    "HyperSizer gave us a view into what the physics were doing," said Kirsch. "We could zoom in on the architecture, refine the design, trade solutions and evaluate mass and manufacturability very quickly." The software was also the primary communications tool used to display analytical results during five different technical reviews with industry and agency experts.
    Load testing of the CCM involved blanketing the vehicle with 280 linear strain gages and 80 acoustic sensors that listened for fiber breaks in the composite layups. The structure successfully withstood tests of loads applied to the structure to simulate launch abort and parachute deployment. Then came the most critical test of internal pressure, which required the CCM to withstand twice standard atmosphere pressure (31 psi) in order to meet the required NASA safety factor of two. Although additional testing involving intentional damage of the CCM will continue into early 2010, passing the internal pressure test was essential for keeping the module development program on track.
    "This project clearly demonstrates HyperSizer's ability to accurately predict the behavior of large composite structures, with exacting design and manufacturing requirements," said Craig Collier, president of Collier Research Corp. and the original programmer of the software. "The use of composites continues to expand across new industries as manufacturers look for ways to safely and cost-effectively replace heavier materials. HyperSizer can be an important tool for ensuring the integrity and optimal performance of the design engineering teamís work."

    http://www.compositesworld.com/news/composite-crew-module-passes-critical-nasa-tests.aspx

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    Message par TRIM2 Mar 22 Déc 2009 - 15:48

    Bonjour à tous,

    ORION n'est qu'un projet dont le seul modèle est incapable de 'remonter' l'orbite d'ISS

    Un projet d'ORION, non pressurisé, cylindrique, non budgété, bon étudié..a été décrit.

    Il pourrait..se connecter sur le module Russe , seul point pour pousser droit.

    Seul l'ATV...?

    Quant à SpaceX.., même si ils accédaient à ISS avec des astro-cosmonautes.. en 2010..pure lubie à mon point de vue, serait incapable de pousser ISS.

    Alors,Soyouz Progress...

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    Message par jullienaline Sam 6 Mar 2010 - 16:52

    Bonjour à tous,

    Le premier bouclier thermique vient d'être terminé.

    Lockheed Martin Orion Team Fabricates World’s Largest Heat Shield Structure

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    Innovative high-temperature material system to provide better crew protection

    DENVER, March 1st, 2010 -- The Lockheed Martin [NYSE: LMT]-led team developing the Orion crew exploration vehicle achieved a major technology milestone by completing fabrication of the world’s largest heat shield structure. The shield is five meters (16.4 feet) in diameter and is critical to the protection of the spacecraft and its crew from the extreme temperatures experienced during re-entry. The work was completed at Lockheed Martin’s composite development facility in Denver, Colo.
    The crew exploration vehicle is at the height of its development phase, which has spurred several new technologies and innovations such as a cutting edge high-temperature composite material system. The new system was developed by the Lockheed Martin Orion thermal protection system team in partnership with TenCate Advanced Composites, a leading supplier of aerospace thermoset and thermoplastic prepregs. TenCate’s composite materials are used in commercial aircraft, radomes, satellites, general aviation, oil and gas, medical and high-end industrial applications.
    “In addition to the technology advancement, we achieved a $10 million cost savings and improved the project schedule by 12 months through the innovative tooling, materials and fabrication processes the team put into action,” explained Cleon Lacefield, Lockheed Martin vice president and Orion program manager.
    The new resin system was developed over an 18-month period during which thousands of coupons were tested in extreme environments that simulated a ballistic re-entry from a lunar mission. The team verified that the thermal insulator on the outside of the composite material can be thinner due to the higher temperature capability, resulting in improved mass optimization of the Orion spacecraft.
    The new resin system enables much simpler and more efficient manufacturing techniques compared to other high temperature resin systems. This resin system has the potential to be used in a wide range of commercial applications including aircraft, automobiles, launch vehicles, payload fairings, and re-entry vehicles.

    The expansive heat shield will be applied to the Orion ground test article, which is the first full-sized, flight-like test article for Orion being built at the Michoud Assembly Facility in New Orleans, La. The ground test article is designed to serve as a production pathfinder to validate the flight vehicle production processes and tools. When completed, the crew module will be tested on the ground in equivalent flight-like environments, including static vibration, acoustics and water landing loads. This early high fidelity testing is necessary to correlate sizing models for all subsystems on the vehicle.
    http://www.lockheedmartin.com/news/press_releases/2010/0301_ss_orion.html

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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Jeu 15 Avr 2010 - 22:59

    Bonsoir à tous,

    Je suis en train de lire quelques lignes intéressantes sur Orion

    http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=ee3ae4c52b5efa1b9632af9978faa9d2&topic=21253.45


    La version CRV pourrait être lancée à vide, sans système de sauvetage et sans développer un lanceur "man rated"...

    Ce qui laisse du temps pour la mise au point de celui-ci

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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Ven 23 Avr 2010 - 8:42

    Bonjour à tous

    Ce qui ce lit sur les conséquences de la nouvelle politique d'Obama pour l'espace, c'est que finalement il n'y aura paq grand chose à mettre à la poubelle de Constellation

    http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/hyperbola/


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    The Orion crew exploration vehicle looks set to return not only as an escape capsule but also as a beyond low Earth orbit spacecraft according to NASA administrator Charles Bolden

    In today's Senate appropriations subcommittee hearing Bolden said that Orion would become a programme of incremental improvement to realise a spacecraft that can conduct missions beyond low Earth orbit (LEO)

    On 1 February this year Orion was effectively cancelled by president Barack Obama's fiscal year 2011 (starting 1 October 2010) NASA budget and then on 15 April Obama declared that the Lockheed Martin developed spacecraft would be an escape capsule. But Obama's plan for NASA also envisages human missions beyond the Moon to asteroids and Mars

    Now Bolden appears to have given back to Orion the mission it was to have originally, going beyond LEO

    Bolden also indicated that he expected Orion to be able to begin operation as an escape capsule in three years, long before any commercial provider. He said he saw the likes of Space Exploration Technologies' (SpaceX) Dragon capsule as a longer term but cheaper prospect

    This would seem to be a blow to the hopes of those companies planning to be a part of NASA's $6 billion commercial crew programme. In particular SpaceX which has stated it could deliver an ISS crew transport vehicle three years after being given the go-ahead

    Et probablement Ares I

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    In a president George W. Bush-like moment NASA administrator Charles Bolden is reported to have said: "it is the uneasiest thing we could do". Uneasiest? Don't you mean it is one of the hardest things you could do?

    And Bolden might not want to admit it but his allegedly executable non-Constellation programme is ultimately, in capabilities terms, just as challenging and probably unexecutable as Bush's Constellation in technology and funding

    Why? We now know that president Barack Obama's plan for NASA is to work towards a 2025 asteroid rendezvous and a mid-2030s Mars mission that would not land. Constellation had Mars as an aspiration but its goal was to begin Moon missions from 2018 with a landing soon after and the slow build up of a permanent lunar base from the early 2020s

    Surely they are very different? Look again
    The asteroid mission is, so we're told, going to take months of travel very likely beyond the Moon. It will need a crew vehicle to re-enter the Earth's atmosphere, it will need a habitat module for the journey out to the asteroid. To go beyond lunar orbit and come back will require a large Earth departure stage and asteroid departure stage, or at least a large propellant tank. For mass savings the propellant will probably need to be cryogenic, requiring good insulation technology. It will need an in-space manouvering engine system to fly in formation with the asteroid. It will need RADAR or LIDAR for that formation flying and if the intention is to land the habitat, crew vehicle stack will need its own legs and an engine that acts as a "descent" and ascent thruster. Or this asteroid lander would have its own "descent" and ascent stages. Once on the surface or in close formation the stack will need good thermal management as it passes in and out of the harsh sunlight. If the plan is to land the asteroid is likely to tumble through space making landing more difficult. This will require some sort of automatic manouvering system to compensate for that multiple axes movement

    To get this lander-habitat-crew vehicle stack beyond Moon orbit it will need to be launched into low Earth orbit as one spacecraft or assembled from its constituent parts in LEO. Its not this blog posts intention to detail the physical characteristics of these craft but to show what capabilities are needed. But it can be summised that the crew vehicle could probably be launched by a modified EELV-type booster but the departure stages for Earth and asteroid and the habitat, with its manouvering/descent/ascent engines and all their propellant tanks are going to be far larger. Perhaps they would need a heavy lift rocket, maybe the habitat and departures stages could be launched propellant empty and refuelled in orbit? This architectural issue will be address at the end of this blog post

    For now, how is this asteroidship just like Constellation's Orion crew exploration vehicle, Altair stack?

    Orion was designed to go to the Moon ultimately for a seven month mission, it would enter lunar orbit and operate automaticaly while its crew descended to the surface in Altair. Initially the missons would be for a week or a gfew weeks operating form the lander. However the crew would ultimately live on the Moonbase once it has adequate accomodation

    Like the asteroidship Constellation has a crew vehicle capable of long endurance in deep space and able to re-enter the Earth's atmosphere. Like the asteroid ship a habitat, in this case called the Altair lunar lander, will be used and Altair's pressurised section and life support systems would have laid the groundwork for technlogies for the Moonbase habitat modules, which were to be landed by Altair's descent stage. To reach the Moon and return from it large Earth departure and lunar departure stages are needed. Constellation's heavy lift Ares V cargo launch vehicle's upper stage was to be the EDS and Altair was to have the LDS. For mass savings the propellant has already been decided to be cryogenic, requiring good insulation technology; just like the asteroidship.

    Focusing on Altair, like the asteroidship it will need RADAR or LIDAR to land on the Moon and like the habitat-crew vehicle stack it will need its own legs and its own descent and ascent stages. Once on the surface Altair and/or the Moonbase habitat modules will need good thermal management as it passes in and out of the harsh sunlight during the lunar day or is permanently in sunlight. What Altair will not need is an automatic landing, real-time adaptive manouvering system that has to cope with a tumbling landing surface

    Finally, Constellation's Ares I crew launch vehicle was to launch Orion that would rendezvous with the EDS and Altair, which were orbited by Ares V

    What can be seen is that the capabilities of Constellation's Orion and Altair and Ares V upper stage are all directly useful for the asteroid mission. Call it what you like but something very much like Orion and very much like Altair and very much like the Ares V EDS will fly to an asteroid whether that path is flexible with few dates or has a cast iron schedule, as cast iron as any spaceflight programme can be

    Having demonstrated that all the technologies and the crew vehicle capabilities and in-space systems developed and in development for Constellation are completely applicable to Bolden's asteroid mission the next issue this blog post will deal with is, how to get into LEO

    Do you use the Ares family or do you use other launch vehicles, launched multiple times, perhaps in tandem with in-orbit fuel resupply?

    For the Ares family you are using a permanently manned spaceport with personnel and equipment specific to the Ares rockets. That workforce will launch two Ares Is and two Ares Vs every year

    The other option is to use a modified existing booster for the crew vehicle. But for that booster to have a higher flight rate than Ares I, and therefore better economics, it will have to be able to launch a deep space crew vehicle although its primary commercial mission may be for smaller payloads.

    If the EDS and habitat cum asteriod lander can be launched by the deep space crew vehicle's booster all to the good. Perhaps this mystery universal booster can also launch the fuel depots? But now you are looking at three launches for the crew vehicle, habitat and EDS and another three, one would imagine, for three "fuel depot spacecraft" to launch the maximum possible propellant to resupply the aforementioned vehicles. Six launches instead of Constellation's two and six LEO rendezvous - best of luck with that mission control!

    Either way this universal rocket does not sound like a booster that already exists. A human rated vehicle that is probably going to have to put at least 45,000kg, the Altair's mass, into LEO. This assumes for the asteroid mission that the larger beyond lunar orbit propellant assembly makes up the difference in mass where the habitat cum lander is not fuelled on launch (unlike Altair) but has on-orbit fuel resupply. The conclusion can only be that a new booster has to be designed and developed

    The Ares V upper stage technologies are clearly already needed for the asteroidship, so isn't it obvious that the Ares V first stage and solid rocket booster systems are too? Yet Bolden is prepared to wait another five years, to 2015, before making a decision for the glaringly obvious

    One last point about the economics of all this. Much has been made that the Constellation programme was proposing only two flights a year to the Moon for crew transport for the permanent human presence of a research station, probably at a southern lunar pole (It should be said that many more Ares V launches for cargo bearing Altair's would be needed but that was never part of the argument)

    So what does Obama and Bolden's plan have to say about this economic batch quantity of launches its proponents criticised Consetllation for? Their plan is proposing one mission, one flight to an asteroid, in 2025 after spending billions and using all the technology that would have been needed for Constellation anyway. And the only apparent advantage is that a multiple launch on-orbit rendezvous and fuel resupply architecture might make better use of ground infrastructure and launch personnel, if you can develop this universal rocket

    With all that in mind what makes the Obama/Bolden plan so much better than Constellation? At the beginning of this blog post there is a chart that was used by Bolden's deputy Lori Garver at a recent conference and it gives approximate dates for everything envisaged under the Bolden plan

    What can be seen in the chart is that despite NASA's budget increases being smaller than those recommended by the US human spaceflight review, Bolden's plan will need to have all the Constellation systems for the asteroidship and launch it at the same time NASA would have been setting up a Moonbase; and fund the International Space Station extension to 2020 and beyond; have flagship, and "small", technology demonstations; start commercial crew services; research exploration technology and send robotic precursor missions to, one assumes asteroids and Mars

    Who is unexecutable now Mr Bolden?



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    Message par jullienaline Dim 16 Mai 2010 - 22:23

    Bonsoir à tous, Il faut avoir le coeur, et le reste, bien accroché :

    La semaine dernière, le 6 mai , la NASA a procédé au premier essai complet du système de sauvetage de la capsule.
    Impressionnant ! L'accélération la plus forte se situe dans les 2,5 premières secondes ce qui donne 720 km/h au bout de 3 secondes !!!