Boeing 787 (partie 1)

Dubai-based aircraft leasing firm LCAL has slashed its order for Boeing 787 Dreamliners to five planes from 21 due to the global economic crisis, Boeing's regional spokesman said on Thursday.
The global downturn which has sent much of the industrialised world into recession has hurt airlines as fewer people travel, forcing carriers to review capital spending and abandon less-profitable routes.

......"LCAL is preparing for tough challenges caused by the global recession," Daghestani added, without giving details on when the remaining five planes would be delivered or the value of the deal. Daghestani declined to say if other clients in the Middle East might also cancel orders.

.... the global financial crisis has also taken its toll on the Gulf Arab region, where a six-year economic boom came to an end late last year as oil prices collapsed.....

Qatar Airways, which has about 30 787s on order, said in January it was in talks to revise delivery of the jets and was seeking compensation after the manufacturer's latest delay affected the airline's expansion......
(Reuters)

On se doit de s'interrogger sur les impacts éventuels de tout ceci sur l'A350-XWB !

Sir Richard Branson, founder of the Virgin Group, blasted The Boeing Co. at a celebration of a new Virgin airline, held Friday morning on Boeing's own turf.

"If people in Seattle build our planes and deliver them on time and, to be frank, don't go on strike, then we'll continue to work with Boeing. If we have our airline completely messed up, with tremendous damage done to our own work force, then we'll go to Embraer or Airbus."

"The delay on the 787 has been an absolute nightmare, and it's cost us a fortune. It really does make us think, 'Do we want to take a risk on Boeing in the future?' " Branson said.

Beochien a écrit: ANA à quasi officiellement reporté la décision gros porteur ... pour aprés la crise ! Donc date indéterminée!

Beochien a écrit: On peut donc penser que ANA en saura plus dans 1 ou 2 Ans

Beochien a écrit: quant à l'Avenir du 748,...

Beochien a écrit:....et la livraison des 787 !

Beochien a écrit: Les compensations ne seront effectives (Et complètes) que quand la livraison du 787 sera effectuée ! Donc prix pas encore déterminé, le mode d'évaluation lui, probalement !

Beochien a écrit: Pour le 787-3 ... je ne sait pas trop, annulation, conversions, attente ??)

-- pour faire un "deal" avec Airbus & RR, sur A330, avec possibilité de conversion en A350-XWB (bien meilleur que le B767 et même que le B787-3, qui semble déjà être en train de s'acheminer vers un statut "d'avion papier" (Elmer ? ).

jenks a écrit:With the issues we’ve had on the [787]-8, all those get addressed on the 787-9. Now there’s elements of them [production issues] that you don’t completely back out necessarily, but the vast majority of the things we’ve seen on the 787-8, we can and will and are addressing on the 787-9.

jenks a écrit:There are some cases where that doesn’t work but there are cases where it does and it’s fairly straightforward to incorporate those improvements back onto the Dash 8. In fact, we want to do that where we can in terms of commonality, cost and efficiency in building these airplanes. There’s a very strong tie between what we do on the 787-9 and getting the benefits back on the 787-8.”

jeannot a écrit: Aeromexico a des craintes sur les performances du 787-8 mais agrde toute sa confiance a Boeing.

Cela montre d'une part que les clients ne sont pas dupes mais que d'autre part les liens existants entre la compagnie et son constructeur sont importants. Commentaires ?

Aeromexico fears the Boeing 787-8, which it now expects
to begin receiving in 2012, may fail to meet original performance specifications including the ability to operate non-stop flights from Mexico City to Asia.

CEO Andres Conesa says Aeromexico decided to acquire five 787-8s in 2005 assuming the aircraft could operate its Shanghai, Tokyo and Rome services non-stop. But he says the carrier is now unsure if Boeing will be able to meet the specs outlined in its 787 contract.
"The expectation was that plane could go all the way to Greece," Conesa told ATI in an interview yesterday at Aeromexico's Mexico City headquarters. "It has changed. Today we don't know the final conditions." The distance between Mexico City and Athens is roughly 7,000 nautical miles.

A Boeing spokeswoman declined to directly address Conesa's comments, explaining the airframer has "ongoing conversations with each of its customers on their requirements and as a matter of company policy we do not comment on those discussions".

Aeromexico now routes its Boeing 777 Shanghai and Tokyo services via Tijuana while its Boeing 767 Rome service stops in Monterrey. Conesa says the 777 can operate Mexico City-Rome but is too large for the route, while no aircraft currently in production can operate from the high altitude of Mexico City to Asia non-stop.

"Ideally we would fly it non-stop but there is no plane in the market," he says. "Depending on the final version of the 787 maybe we can provide the service non-stop."
Conesa says Aeromexico will also have to wait two more years for the 787-8 than initially scheduled.

"Originally we were scheduled to receive the first one in 2010 and we were going to complete the transition [from 767s to 787s] in 2012," he says. "With the new calendar we'll probably complete the transition by 2014."

But Conesa adds Aeromexico potentially could move up in the queue if other 787 customers elect to defer their deliveries. "Carriers are probably revaluating things," he says.

Even if the 787 is not able to operate from Mexico City to Asia and all of Europe non-stop, Conesa says Aeromexico remains committed to the aircraft. "We are long-term partners and have a very good relationship with Boeing. I'm sure they will be able to do their best," he says.
"The 787 will be a very good plane for sure. It's a shame it has been delayed. But I think it will be worth the wait."