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    Boeing 787 (partie 1)


    Beochien
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    Message par Beochien Mer 18 Aoû 2010 - 14:29

    Merci Poncho !
    C'est tout frais ça !
    Tant mieux pour RR ... SI c'est corrigé ... sur la version B !
    Mais ils ont du sentir le vent du boulet ... ou des aubes dans ce cas ...
    Ca peut (Pouvait) être un pépin pour 6 mois un an ...

    Wait & See, qq jours ou semaines pour y voir clair !
    Et si ça lâche comme cela, sur les versions A, ben faudrait au moins une inspection sur les avions, juste mon avis !

    Pas si sûr que tout soit en ordre today entre RR, Boeing et les "Certifieurs"
    A suivre de prés pour les développements !

    JPRS

    Beochien
    Whisky Charlie


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    Message par Beochien Ven 20 Aoû 2010 - 1:38

    Bonsoir !

    Fleet Buzz ne fait pas dans la Nuance !

    Boeing, devrait en finir avec le dernier maillon faible, et racheter l'activité d'Alénia pour le 787 ! Et la ramener à Charleston ensuite !
    On rachète qq autoclaves et en avant !
    Manque plus que l'accord de McNerney

    Des Dreamlifter bientôt à vendre ??


    ------------ Bonne lecture : le lien ! Et un extrait ! -------------

    http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/2010/08/18/boeing-787-production/

    FleetBuzzEditorial.com

    Boeing Needs To Buy Alenia Out Of 787 Production
    Wed, August 18, 2010 22 Comments by FBED

    The build quality of the horizontal stabilisers, aft and central sections of the 787 produced by Alenia have continued to be the weak link in the production set up and are under almost constant scrutiny as Boeing looks to improve quality. Boeing must bring this work back in house to ensure stability and progress to the 787 program.

    Boeing has had to learn the hard (and expensive) way that farming out too much of the advanced work statement on the 787 to global partners has not worked as well as it had hoped when the program kicked off back in 2004. Despite having bought out the Global Aeronautica stakes from Alenia and Vought, the company is still having build quality issues that should not be occurring three years after assembly of the 787 first began.

    JPRS

    Beochien
    Whisky Charlie


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    Message par Beochien Lun 23 Aoû 2010 - 11:56

    Bonjour !

    Visiblement John Ostrower s'ennuie aussi ce mois d'aout chez FG !!

    Un titre racoleur !
    "787 schedule in jeopardy following Trent 1000 testbed failure "
    Et une pauvre compil de last week !

    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/08/23/346353/787-schedule-in-jeopardy-following-trent-1000-testbed.html


    Dernière édition par Beochien le Lun 23 Aoû 2010 - 12:22, édité 2 fois
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    Message par aeroduO5 Lun 23 Aoû 2010 - 12:08

    C'est vrai que c'est très calme en ce moment chez FG. Sleep
    Ca nous laisse du temps pour l'analyse et la réflexion. Very Happy
    Beochien
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    Message par Beochien Lun 23 Aoû 2010 - 12:11

    Ou ils fument la moquette en attendant que ça bouge chez FG !
    Moi je viens d'arrêter le tabac ... le cigare disons !
    Pincettes recommandées ces jours !
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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Lun 23 Aoû 2010 - 12:14

    Juste à temps pour aller vendanger le coeur léger... Wink

    Bravo !


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    Message par Beochien Mer 25 Aoû 2010 - 20:18

    Bonsoir !

    Un test Icing du 787 ... en plein Aout à Seattle ...
    Ben oui c'est possible chez Boeing !
    Conditions ... plutôt à basse vitesse, décollage -Atterro !
    Suffit de Coller-Scotcher de la "Fausse Glace" sur les bords d'attaque !
    Bon, pour les interprétations de cette simulation, par 30°+ à l'ombre va falloir être costaud à mon avis !

    ---------------- Jon Ostrower nous raconte cela sur FG Extrait !! --------------

    http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/flightblogger/2010/08/787-gets-iced-in-august-for-ha.html

    787 gets iced in August for handling qualifications
    By
    Jon Ostrower
    on August 25, 2010 7:00 AM | Permalink | Comments (0) | TrackBacks (0) |ShareThis
    ZA005-IceShapes_1000.jpgHow is it possible that 787 is flying icing tests in late August in the skies over Seattle? In fact, Boeing's fifth 787 flight test aircraft - ZA005 ( N787FT) - has been been doing exactly that - flying maneuvers to evaluate the handling and stall characteristics as if ice were forming on the 787's wings, horizontal and vertical stabilizers. However, flight test crews aren't out searching for natural icing conditions like they did with ZA001 in mid-May, rather, before taking off from Boeing and Paine Fields earlier this week, ZA005 was fitted with simulated ice shapes.

    Frank Rasor, then director of flight test operations, and now Boeing Commercial Airplanes chief engineer, described the icing tests at a 2009 787 flight test briefing:

    Basically what we've done is been able to simulate the worst case icing conditions on the airplane with ice shapes. Flight test is all about the envelope conditions, so we will be testing within that envelope and get ice buildup on the airplane. But the ice shapes allow us to know we are at that end condition, otherwise it's very difficult to measure what's happening on the wing during the flight. It allows us to get there, know the condition, and fly there safely. Ice shapes are primarily foam-epoxy build-up and they're put on with glue and aluminum speed tape that we use in flight tests. They can be taken off. We do performance take-off and landing with those ice shapes on.

    JPRS
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    Message par Beochien Jeu 26 Aoû 2010 - 8:38

    Bonjour !
    Erreur de casting, à effacer !
    JPRS
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    Message par pascal83 Ven 27 Aoû 2010 - 4:46

    http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engines-components/news/kenya-airways-considers-canceling-787s-claims-first-delivery-delaye
    Kenya pourrait annuler sa commande de 787 et ANA prend 3 mois de retard de livraison supplementaire.
    aubla
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    Message par aubla Ven 27 Aoû 2010 - 7:51

    Bonjour,

    Dans son blog sur flightglobal, Jon Ostrower déclare que Boeing va officialiser aujourd'hui vendredi ce nouveau report de la 1ère livraison à ANA .
    Ce serait maintenant pour le milieu ou la fin du 1er trimestre 2011.
    Le "chapeau" serait porté par Rolls Royce (pb trent 1000) et Alenia (stabilisateur horizontal).

    http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/flightblogger/2010/08/is-boeing-readying-for-a-787-d.html

    à suivre
    Bonne journée
    Beochien
    Beochien
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    Message par Beochien Ven 27 Aoû 2010 - 7:54

    Merci Pascal !

    Kenya a du bien mal s'y prendre avec les clauses de compensation ...
    Ils sont parmi le peu de cies qui n' ont rien reçu de Boeing!
    Ils font l'âne pour avoir du son , et menacent de commander qq A330, dont ils ont, de plus besoin !

    A suivre, et voire s'ils vont jusqu'à l'annulation !

    Le Seattlr PI, cite aussi les qq mois de retard, because les moteurs ...
    Un texte plutôt vague , pas vraiment d'explication de Boeing, l'"avaibility" du T1000, c'est bien ...

    http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/

    JPRS
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    Message par Beochien Ven 27 Aoû 2010 - 8:09

    Et Leeham prévoit l'annonce Boeing pour Today !
    Recu sur mes Leeham news !
    Et vu par le Cousin sur Aweb, au petit matin ! Merci !


    Boeing is expected to announce another delay in the 787 program Friday, Aug. 27, Leeham News and Comment has learned.

    First delivery of the 787 of the long and oft-delayed 787 was supposed to be next month, then in December; a delay to mid- or late first quarter is expected to be announced.

    Others believe the first delivery could slip to the second quarter.

    Last week’s uncontained engine failure of a Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 during static testing and, according to our information, problems with Alenia’s tail construction, will be blamed. We first reported August 13 that the tail problems could result in more delays. The Trent threw a blade, but an assessment is still being done as to the precise cause.

    Boeing’s 787 flight test program hasn’t grounded the airplanes but in the word of one customer, it is being “babied.” The flight test hours have fallen far short of expectation and a GEnx-powered unit, #6, hasn’t flown at all and will be at least three months behind schedule before its first flight. The reason is unknown.
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    http://leehamnews.wordpress.com/2010/08/26/new-787-delay-coming-aug-27/#more-3440
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    Plus qu'a attendre la note officielle de Boeing, et voire s'ils sont plus précis ??

    JPRS
    Beochien
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    Message par Beochien Ven 27 Aoû 2010 - 8:44

    Bonjour !

    Allez, va pour les 3 Ans !

    La version officielle de Boeing :

    http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1391

    ----------------------------------------------
    La version de Flight global !

    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/08/27/346722/787-first-delivery-delayed-to-mid-q1-2011.html

    787 first delivery delayed to mid-Q1 2011
    By Jon Ostrower

    Boeing has confirmed a fresh delay to its 787 programme, citing compounded issues with workmanship problems with the aircraft's Alenia Aeronautica-built horizontal stabilizer and its Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 engines.

    The first delivery of its 787 Dreamliner to launch customer All Nippon Airways (ANA) has now slipped to the middle of the first quarter of 2011, from the originally forecasted fourth quarter 2010.

    "The delivery date revision follows an assessment of the availability of an engine needed for the final phases of flight test this fall," says Boeing.

    While the airframer did not explicitly address the uncontained 2 August failure of a 'Package A' Trent 1000 in its announcement, the company says "the delivery date revision follows an assessment of the availability of an engine needed for the final phases of flight test this fall", indicating 'Package B' powerplants may be substituted for the early build Trent 1000s for ANA.

    Boeing's 787 flight test programme planned to run "another small test programme, within a flight test programme" for the Package B engines, which are slated to be test flown on the company's fourth test aircraft later this year. ZA004 is currently powered by twin Package A engines.

    The Package B engines include a revised six-stage low pressure turbine (LPT) design, high-aspect-ratio blades, relocation of the intermediate-pressure (IP) compressor bleed offtake ports and fan outlet guide vanes with improved aerodynamics. The revisions will also bring fuel consumption of the powerplant within 1% of the original specification.

    Rolls-Royce first confirmed on 16 August that a failure had occurred, saying at the time: "We do not anticipate any impact on the programme". Boeing, however, then took a more cautious approach to the issue, saying that no impact on flight testing has been incurred "to date".

    Boeing now says it is working with Rolls-Royce to "expedite engine availability" and adds that despite the slip in first delivery, "flight testing across the test fleet continues as planned".

    The airframer cautioned in June that first delivery could slip out of 2010 and "a few weeks" into 2011 after sluggish flight test instrumentation change-out and horizontal stabiliser inspections and rework slowed the flight test programme.

    The Boeing 787 was originally set to enter service in May 2008.

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    Bien on se revoit tous en 2011 pour ce sujet !
    Les explications "Moteur" du PB T1000 sont bien alambiquées !
    On attends mieux !
    Vu dans le buzz, que les pilotes essayeurs de B787, seraient disons "Prudents " avec leurs moteurs ... qq consignes, on ne sait jamais !

    JPRS
    Beochien
    Beochien
    Whisky Charlie


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    Message par Beochien Ven 27 Aoû 2010 - 8:53

    Bon le décompte des délais ...
    D'aprés Swallow de A.net !


    Delay 1: September 5 2007, 3-month delay [fastener shortage, incomplete flight software]

    Delay 2: October 10, 2007, 3-month delay [fasteners, supply chain hiccups, flight software, poor parts documentation]

    Delay 3: January 16, 2008, 3-month delay [traveled work]

    Delay 4: April 9, 2008, [weight reduction, 789 EIS postponed to 2012 and resequenced for delivery before 783, 7810 dropped from official pronouncements]

    Delay 5: November 4, 2008, [incorrect fastener installation, IAM strike]. FF was officially delayed to 2Q 2009 on December 11, 2008

    Delay 6: June 23, 2009, [reinforce side-of-body join]

    FF, December 15, 2009

    Delay 7: August 27th 2010, 3-months [deliveries slip to 1Q 2011]

    So, two delays in 07, three in 08, two in 09 and one this year. At least they have been consistent, each delay is 3-months or thereabouts.

    JPRS
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    Message par aeroduO5 Ven 27 Aoû 2010 - 9:07

    Bonjour à tous.

    Ce que je comprends c'est que Boeing dit qu'il préfère ne pas prendre de risques avec les réacteurs RR et préfère donner 3 mois à RR.
    Pour moi les problèmes de réactaurs auraient été gérables d'ici la fin de l'année. Par contre pour les soucis avec Alenia ça peut prendre plus de temps. Donc RR a rendu un fier service à Boeing en ayant ses soucis.

    Je pose une question: Où en sont les Genx?
    Quelle compagnie doit les reçevoir en 1er? Quelle date était avancée?
    Beochien
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    Message par Beochien Ven 27 Aoû 2010 - 9:12

    Les PB des T1000 Gérables et d'ici la fin de l'année ??
    D'abord qui sait ce qu'ils ont comme PB sur le T1000 ??
    Grave, ou pas grave, résolu ou pas , personne ne le sait hors RR-Boeing pour l'instant !

    Bonjour les magiciens ??

    J'ajoute ... bien d'accord que RR arrange (Presque) bien les affaires de Boeing, surtout si le PB n'est pas trop grave, mais, si ça se complique ... pas si sûr que GE puisse pallier à grand chose !

    JPRS
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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Ven 27 Aoû 2010 - 9:32

    Salut à tous
    En lisant entre les lignes, ne doit-on pas comprendre que finalement peut-être on va sauter le Package A et passer directement au Package B ?

    Le GenX ne semble pas non plus trop dans le timing... mais ça se voit moins c'est masqué par le retard pris sur la certif et la première livraison (en partie)


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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Ven 27 Aoû 2010 - 9:37

    Dans la com de Boeing, la livraison des moteurs est clairement identifiée comme un pb causant les délais (mais ça peut concerner RR et GE...)

    Sinon il y aussi cet avis...



    http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/commercial_aviation/ThingsWithWings/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=7a78f54e-b3dd-4fa6-ae6e-dff2ffd7bdbb&plckPostId=Blog%3a7a78f54e-b3dd-4fa6-ae6e-dff2ffd7bdbbPost%3a1588fdd5-0d59-48a3-9d96-cf938365c7ae&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest




    What still remains unclear is what parts of the test and certification program did the engine failure impact. Rolls only acknowledged the problem occurred on a Package A configuration engine, and that the trouble spot was the intermediate pressure turbine (IPT). As this was one of the main areas of focus for the follow-on Package B engine, it might be reasonable to assume that the test failure was linked to some evaluation of this key improvement.

    For the first time Boeing is giving us more of a clue when it says “..the delivery date revision follows an assessment of the availability of an engine needed for the final phases of flight test this fall.” Could this be referring to the first set of improved Package B engines, due to be fitted to the fourth test aircraft ZA004? The engines were originally due to be installed several months after the completion of the flight loads survey. The survey, which was itself delayed by instrumentation issues, is currently underway at Victorville, Calif.

    Now that Boeing has acknowledged an inevitable slip in delivery to around February, surely it is time for Rolls-Royce to come up with a clearer picture of what happened, and where it goes from here?





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    Message par aeroduO5 Ven 27 Aoû 2010 - 9:38

    Je ne connais pas les pbs de RR en détail mais vu comme Boeing est à l'arrache avec Alenia je pense que c'est une bonne excuse.

    Je pose la question pour GE pour savoir quel était le "retard" de GE par rapport à RR et savoiur s'il va se réduire.
    Si les GE n'ont pas trop de souçis ils peuvent aider Boeing à avancer les essais puisqu'il est possible que les pilotes d'essais ne poussent pas trop les RR.
    Beochien
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    Message par Beochien Ven 27 Aoû 2010 - 9:44

    Il s'est commenté que c'est une version A du T1000, qui a sauté, mais avec des éléments de la version B , disons un A 1/2 ...
    De là à spéculer sur ce qui a cassé vraiment ???
    Comme personne ne commente ... ben on n'en sait pas plus !
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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Ven 27 Aoû 2010 - 10:04

    Bon qq petits éléments

    Le ZA005 GenX a fait 132 h depuis le 18 juin 2010 (je ne sais pas ce qui était prévu)
    C'est lui qui valide globalement les perfs du GenX
    Le ZA006 Genx est en phase finale d'assemblage... il devait voler en juillet initalement puis en août suite aux pb d'Alenia... ce n'est pas encore cuit pour cet objectif. Lui se charge des essais EM et Haute intensité RF... et ETOPS
    Donc pas bcp d'essai en réalité, probablement juste la part spécifique pour vérifier le fonctionnement des FADECS dans ces environnement pollués... à noter que le ZA003 a une mission similaire pour les Trent.

    Je sais qu'il y a aussi eu un pb d'instrumentation sur certaines exemplaires, mais je n'arrive plus à mettre la main dessus.. mais si ça concerne le ZA003, ca impacte aussi très probablement le ZA006


    Voilà
    Il serait intéressant de connaître le nombre de GenX livrés par GE pour le programme 787 ça serait une indication de l'état de ce volet du programme, et quelle est la date de livraison du client de lancement GenX ?


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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Ven 27 Aoû 2010 - 10:20

    Bon pour la livraison de GenX ? pas de traces évidentes... si ce n'est que les GenX2B de série sont déjà chez Boeing

    Pour le client de lancement GEnX c'est RAM qui devait être livré début 2011, mais je ne sais pas après combien de livraisons RR (on doit pouvoir avoir une première indications avec le nombre de livraisons prévues initialement en 2010 par Boeing)


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    Message par pascal83 Ven 27 Aoû 2010 - 13:49

    3 ans de retard pour un bi impressionnant, il n'y a que b pour nous faire cela.
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    Message par jullienaline Ven 27 Aoû 2010 - 22:48

    Bonsoir à tous,

    Un historique, loin d'être exhaustif (surtout sur la fin), mais qui à le mérite de nous remettre en mémoire certains événements importants.

    CHRONOLOGY-Boeing's troubled 787 Dreamliner

    Boeing Co said the first delivery of its long-delayed 787 Dreamliner has been pushed to the middle of the first quarter of 2011 from the fourth quarter of 2010 due to engine availability.
    Boeing, the No. 2 plane-maker behind EADS unit Airbus, has been struggling with a range of supply, manufacturing and design problems, made worse by a two-month strike at Boeing's Seattle-area plants last year.
    The following events show the slow and bumpy progress of the revolutionary, carbon composite aircraft, which is key to Boeing's financial success.
    2002 - Boeing drops its Sonic Cruiser concept, responding to airlines' calls for greater fuel efficiency rather than extra speed.
    June 2003 - Dubs its new carbon-composite airplane the Dreamliner.
    Dec 2003 - Approves an initial version of the plane with the temporary name 7E7, the E standing for "efficiency."
    Jan 2005 - Gives plane official designation 787.
    July 2006 - Popularity of 787 design forces Airbus to go back to drawing board on its competing A350, relaunching it as the A350 XWB (extra wide body).
    Jan 2007 - Boeing CEO Jim McNerney says plane is on target for first test flight around end of August 2007 and first delivery May 2008.
    June 2007 - Boeing says first test flight may slip to September 2007, while still on schedule for first delivery in May 2008.
    July 25, 2007 - Boeing shares hit all-time high of $107.80, boosted by strong 787 orders. Company says plane is running slightly behind in certain areas but holds to schedule.
    Sept 2007 - Boeing puts back first test flight by about three months because of a shortage of bolts and problems with flight control software. Shifts flight target to mid-November to mid-December 2007; keeps May 2008 delivery target.
    Oct 2007 - Announces longer delay, due to continued production problems, pushing first test flight to end-March 2008 and putting back first delivery by about six months to late November or December 2008.
    Jan 2008 - Boeing announces further three-month delay due to problems with unnamed suppliers and slow assembly progress. Pushes back test flight to end-June 2008 and first delivery to early 2009, making plane about nine months behind original schedule.
    April 2008 - Sets first test flight for the fourth quarter of 2008 and first delivery for the third quarter of 2009, about 15 months behind the original schedule.
    Sept. 6, 2008 - Boeing's assembly workers go on strike over contract terms, shutting down Boeing's Seattle-area plants. They return to work in early November after 58 days out. Nov. 4, 2008 - Boeing says first flight delayed by strike, will not happen until 2009.
    Dec. 11, 2008 - Says first flight now set for second quarter of 2009 and first delivery in first quarter of 2010, making the plane about two years late.
    June 2009 - Boeing reports 59 total cancellations for 787s, with net orders for 866 of the planes.
    Aug 27, 2009 - Sets new timetable, with first flight by the end of 2009 and first delivery in fourth quarter of 2010.
    Dec. 15, 2009 -- Dreamliner makes first test flight.
    Aug. 27, 2010 - Boeing says first 787 delivery will be in the middle of the first quarter of 2011.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/idCNN279036920100827?rpc=44

    Amicalement


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    Message par jullienaline Ven 27 Aoû 2010 - 23:04

    En tout cas, le retard annoncé n'empêche pas de commencer la formation des équipages même avec des simulateurs qui correspondent à l'état des avions d'essais.

    Boeing 787 (partie 1) - Page 27 K65021-med

    Boeing 787 (partie 1) - Page 27 K65022_med

    http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=13&item=1239

    Amicalement


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    Message par aeroduO5 Ven 27 Aoû 2010 - 23:19

    Je sais que la RAM a envoyé une délégation à Seattle pour la formation.

    Pilotes et techniciens je crois.
    Ce doit être la même chose pour ANA et Air India.
    Qoique pour ANA ils doivent être bien formés depuis le temps qu'ils attendent Smile
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    Message par Beochien Sam 28 Aoû 2010 - 7:12

    Bonjour !

    Un "Éclaircissement " du cas 787 T/1000 ??
    Pas vraiment, mais on sait que c'est le N°9 qui devait recevoir le moteur qui a sauté ... lequel devait voler avant les 7 et 8 si j'ai bien compris !
    Des PB relatifs aux test qualifs ETOPS lesquels ne pourraient être menés à bien sans ce moteur ??!
    Évoqués hier sur A.net, les ETOPS pourraient s'avérer plus compliqués à obtenir rapidement ... avec la version A qui sert de base à la qualification !

    Ca dépend quand même de ce qui a lâché et pourquoi ?
    Et si la version B est vraiment immune et cloisonnée pour ce PB ... !

    Et ça n'a pas encore filtré .

    ---------------------- l'article FG ----------------------

    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/08/28/346766/lack-of-production-engine-for-airplane-nine-drives-787.html

    Lack of production engine for Airplane Nine drives 787 delay
    By Jon Ostrower

    The lack of availability of Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 engines for Airplane Nine in the 787 programme, Boeing's third production aircraft and the first of the commercial fleet scheduled to fly, is main driver for the programme's latest delay.

    "We need to get an engine for Airplane Nine so we can do [extended twin engine operations] ETOPS testing," says Jim Albaugh, Boeing Commercial Airplanes president and chief executive officer.

    The shortage of Trent 1000 engines extends to subsequent aircraft, including Airplane Seven, the first 787 slated for delivery to launch customer All Nippon Airways, now pushed into the middle of the first quarter of 2011 from the fourth quarter of 2010.

    In addition to ETOPS testing, Airplane Nine was scheduled to participate in systems functionality and reliability testing at the end of the third quarter, continuing into the fourth quarter.

    Five of Boeing's six flight test aircraft, excluding ZA001, were set to participate in ETOPS testing during the planned 3,100h flight test campaign.

    Neither Boeing nor Rolls-Royce are offering details on the future of the Package A engine build, though it is now confirmed that the 2 August failure occurred on a version of that engine slated to power Airplane Nine. Package A engines are set to power the first several 787s for ANA, before switching to Package B for an improvement in fuel consumption to within 1% of original specification.

    Rolls-Royce is seeking to distance itself from the uncontained failure. "We have been informed by Boeing that the currently planned dates for Trent 1000 engine deliveries will not support their latest flight test programme requirements. We are working closely with Boeing to expedite delivery in support of their programme schedule," says the engine maker, indirectly suggesting a shift to the left of Boeing's timelines was unachievable.

    However, Rolls-Royce emphasises "the engine availability issue is unrelated to the test bed event which occurred earlier this month".

    What remains unclear from all parties involved is in what way the failure was related to the delay, yet by all outward appearances the failure prompted Boeing's "assessment of the availability of an engine needed for the final phases of flight test this fall".

    Boeing's 787 programme has been beset by nearly three years of delays.

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    Message par Beochien Sam 28 Aoû 2010 - 8:38

    Bonjour !

    Peut être de quoi relativiser la chasse aux fauteurs de retards que mène Boeing !

    Ce n'est pas moi, ce sont toujours les ... autres 7 fautifs pour 7 retards, tout sauf Boeing, bien sûr !
    Leurs chers "Risk Partners" au passage, quand il s'agit de leur demander d'investir à la place de Boeing !
    j'ai un peu de mal à me figurer à quoi ressemblera le prochain tour de table, pour le prochain avion de Boeing, et quels contrats seront acceptés !

    Une feuille intéressante de Puget Sound, le Seattle Bizz Journal !
    Prédit que des délais vers Mai-Juillet 2011 étaient prévisibles pour tout le monde, (Et trois analystes), tout le monde, ou presque, sauf les aveugles bien sûr !

    Et un statisticien Tim Raetzloff, n'a eu aucun mal à voir les délais s'accumuler, juste en rentrant dans son computer les données des vols d'essais !

    Il en a sorti plus de renseignements qu'une escouade d'analystes de l'UBS ! Ouaf !

    De quoi peut être remettre à sa vraie valeur, le Haro sur le baudet RR, lesquels, d'ailleurs auraient tout intérêt à s'expliquer dés qu'ils auront un peu balayé le local de leur banc de test !

    -------------- L'article du Seattle Bizz Journal -----------------

    http://seattle.bizjournals.com/seattle/blog/2010/08/analysts_further_boeing_787_delays_no_surprise.html

    Analysts: Boeing 787 delayed until spring
    Friday, August 27, 2010, 12:15pm PDT | Modified: Friday, August 27, 2010, 12:22pm

    Wall Street seems to be taking Boeing’s Friday announcement of further 787 delays in stride, with Boeing stock up Friday — at least partly because many observers already had concluded the test program was so far behind that Boeing couldn’t deliver any Dreamliners in 2010.

    “Wall Street is so immune to more delays, as long as they aren’t substantial delays,” said aerospace analyst Scott Hamilton, president of Issaquah-based Leeham Co. LLC.

    He and Richard Aboulafia, aerospace analyst for the Teal Group, outside Washington, D.C., believe the delivery delays could now stretch into spring.

    “We’d had this in our forecast a long time ago. Nobody believed in 2010,” he said about the delay. “Boeing has had a consistent pattern of being very aggressive, and setting themselves up for disappointment with the schedule.”

    While the recent news pins most of the new delays on the failure of a test Rolls Royce engine in England, Boeing has been falling behind its previously stated goal of 2,400 test hours for the 787 by Sept. 15. This was needed to achieve FAA certification for the aircraft, and deliver it by the end of 2010.

    As early as April, Edmonds statistician Tim Raetzloff, who also operates a business computer company, was concluding the program wasn’t proceeding rapidly enough to make that September deadline.

    Raetzloff has been keeping detailed records of each day's test flight results, and posting them on his website.

    “Statistically it looked impossible to me, even before the engine blow-up. This looks like a really convenient excuse,” he said.

    In New York, UBS Securities analyst David Strauss has been coming to a similar conclusion.

    In an Aug. 23 report, entitled “787 Flight test Tracker - Time Running Out,” he said the testing schedule trailed the required hours by 36 percent.

    “We estimate Boeing will not complete its first Rolls Royce flight test program until Nov-Dec, with first delivery in Q1,” the report said.

    Even more troubled is the GE variant, which Strauss’ report said had flown just over 100 hours by Aug. 10, versus the 500 hours UBS had projected.

    Aboulafia, Hamilton and Raetzloff all think deliveries will be even later than the first quarter.

    Raetzloff doesn’t think Boeing can finished the required 2,400 hours until mid-February. Add three months needed for FAA certification?

    “I’m thinking July,” Raetzloff said about first delivery. Aboulafia thinks "April or May."

    As for Airbus’ competing A350, and recent reports that it’s running late on its projected 2013 delivery date, (which Airbus has denied)?

    Hamilton points out that Airbus has acknowledged that it has already eaten up most of the margins in its own development schedule.

    “When you’ve eaten the margins up this far in advance of entry into service, I don’t see how there won’t be delays,” he said.

    Aboulafia agreed, and expects two years of A350 delays. "We’ve always had 2015 as a realistic date for the A350,” he said.

    Read more: Analysts: Boeing 787 delayed until spring - Puget Sound Business Journal (Seattle)

    JPRS

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