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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Lun 11 Avr 2011 - 8:23

    Bonjour à tous

    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/04/10/355246/airbus-watching-a380-schedule-closely-after-quake.html

    IHI à 40 km de la centrale Fukushima NPP ...
    Plus de 3 semaines d'arrêt de production et reprise progressive
    Une haie de plus dans la montée en cadence de l'A380 ... et un désagrément également pour l'A330...
    A suivre


    Airbus is confident it will meet its delivery forecast of some 25 A380s this year despite the Japanese earthquake which has further complicated the juggling process aimed at ensuring enough Rolls-Royce Trent 900 engines are available.
    Turbine parts for the Trent 900 for the A380 - as well as the Trent 700 and other aero engines - are produced at Japanese corporation IHI's Soma plant.
    Soma is just 40km north of the Fukushima nuclear power station which has been the scene of emergency containment and repair work since the 11 March quake and tsunami.
    IHI shut down the main manufacturing facilities after the earthquake and only began partial operations within the least-damaged buildings on 29 March.
    "We are now undertaking repairs on the other buildings and will commence operations at each of them as soon as such work has been completed," it says.
    Airbus executive vice-president for programmes Tom Williams, speaking to Flightglobal in Toulouse last week, said there were "certainly concerns" over the ability of the plant to restore normal operations.
    "That's the one we're going to have to watch carefully," he says, pointing out that power has been intermittent and that a smooth operation depends on making sure the "right people are there at the right time".

    © Airbus

    Airbus has been forced to rejig the schedule of its A380 deliveries after a Trent 900 in-flight failure, on a Qantas aircraft last year, resulted in demand for replacement powerplants.
    In order to meet the demand Airbus has been removing Trent 900s from the production line, and pushing A380 deliveries towards the second half of this year.
    But Williams says Rolls-Royce has been working on contingency plans and the airframer is maintaining "at the moment" that its A380 delivery total will be in the "mid-20s" for 2011.
    Airbus delivered four A380s over the first quarter of this year: two to Qantas in January, bringing its total to nine, and two to Lufthansa


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    Message par Beochien Mer 13 Avr 2011 - 12:53

    Bonjour !

    Vu sur A.net !

    Quote N14AZ de Germany !

    http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/5095386/#menu27

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    Bien, pour livrer SIA il faut des sièges Japonais, et des pièces de moteur Japonaises de chez IHI, pour fabriquer des T900 à monter aussi sur 2 A380 !
    2 A380 SIA, sur le tarmac de Hamburg, "Plumés" de leurs Trent, pour les urgences connues !
    Pas remplacés pour l'instant !
    Comme dit un bloggeur, c'est la planète entière qui martyrise le A380 !

    Bon, j'ajoute, que les T900, sont peut être stockés en attente d'Affectation ... au plus prés de "Sortir" des A380 ... Fluctuat Nec Mergitur ...

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    Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 38):
    The SIA spokesman also says that the delay of SQs A380 is "only related to seats", which implies that RR engine is not a bottleneck for SQs A380.

    This picture, taken on March 24th 2011, speaks a different language:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/arjay5020/5564660469/in/photostream/

    Out of the three A 380s currently stored in XFW only MSN 058 is equipped with four engines and already conducted one test flight after cabin outfitting, obviously without business class seats. So I consider this a good news and hopefully the missing seats can be installed soon to complete cabin outfitting and to proceed with the delivery procedure.

    JPRS


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    Message par aeroduO5 Jeu 14 Avr 2011 - 18:16

    Ca doit commencer à encombrer sérieusement les parkings Exclamation
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    Message par Beochien Jeu 14 Avr 2011 - 18:32

    Ben, ils en ont eu une douzaine début Janvier à Hamburg, ça doit s'arranger un peu !
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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Mar 19 Avr 2011 - 17:12

    Bonjour à tous

    Un peu en retard

    La configuration de Thai : 12 / 60 /435 = 507

    L'avant de la cabine est configuré comme chez SIA, par contre y a plus de monde en éco

    La source

    http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/asian-skies/2011/04/thai-airways-gives-details-of.html


    Thai Airways has released details of its planned seating configuration for its forthcoming Airbus A380 aircraft.

    Thai plans to seat 507 passengers in three classes: 12 in first, 60 in business, and 435 in economy, according to Routes.

    As our updated A380 chart, below, indicates, Thai will have the same number of premium seats as Singapore Airlines but more economy seats, suggesting Thai will seat cabins on different decks from Singapore or will be squeezing more seats in.

    The A380 may prove a challenge for the carrier, Thai Airways President Piyasvasti Amranand told Reuters. "It's very large. It's hard to fill up in the off season."


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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Mar 10 Mai 2011 - 9:37

    Bonjour à tous



    http://a380production.com/2011/05/69da/

    7ème avion pour LHA livré

    A priori pas mal de livraisons prévues ce moi-ci

    Bonne journée


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    Message par Beochien Mer 25 Mai 2011 - 12:00

    Bonjour !

    Robert Wall sur AviationWeek !
    Sort un article bien documenté sur le A380, Alain Flourens, chef du produit, parle !

    4 Tonnes d'emport en plus, et qq tweak's, notamment l'angle d'attaque de l'aile qui bouge un peu, et des allégements, et ... renforts, tout arrive, c'est trés bien, surtout pour EK, vers LAX !
    C'est pour 2013, cette maturité, pas trop loin !... en attendant les 25 tonnes de mieux ... pour un de ces jours .. Wink

    Les moteurs ne bougent pas (Ca ne va pas trop aider Qantas à LAX !) et EA réponds assez soft qu'ils ont un oeil dessus, sans plus ... Brr, quel enthousiasme pour le GP7200 ! No GE ... Ils protégent peut être leur "Investissement" sur le 748 !
    Airbus se doit de Réagir, P&W est demandeur, c'est loin, mais encore faudrait 'il s'en occuper , pour commencer !
    RR fournisseur quasi unique, quand ils passeront au XWB ?? Possible !

    A part cela, pour les Sièges Kioto, les solutions arrivent, ça va débloquer qq SIA !
    Et côté moteurs, les T900, le bottleneck, devrait se résorber, enfin !

    ----------------- AvWeek, le lien et l'article ------------------

    http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=comm&id=news/avd/2011/05/25/02.xml&headline=Airbus%20Plans%20Higher%20Max%20Takeoff%20Weight%20For%20A380



    A380-800 - Page 17 A380genericlanding-Airbus


    Airbus has finalized an A380 design package available to
    airlines allowing them to fly the aircraft farther or with more payload.

    The design changes are available as an option to airlines
    and boost the maximum takeoff weight of the aircraft by four metric
    tons to 573,000 metric tons. The change would enable the aircraft to fly
    120 nm farther or carry the equivalent of 20 more passengers.

    Airbus is now in discussions with airlines about who want
    to take the option. The new weight variant is available starting in
    2013, says program chief Alain Flourens.

    The upgraded version introduces a slight modification to
    the wing twist on the A380 to improve efficiency, features a number of
    weight savings and, in some areas, slight reinforcements. “We simply
    sharpened our pencil.”

    No engine changes were required to achieve the higher
    performance, says the Airbus official. Nevertheless, Rolls-Royce and
    Engine Alliance are looking at upgrades to introduce to their powerplant
    offerings on the A380, although Mary Ellen Jones, president of the
    General Electric/Pratt & Whitney joint venture, says right now
    Engine Alliance remains in the evaluation stage.


    Meanwhile, Airbus is preparing for flight certification
    of new Koito Industries seats for Singapore Airlines, and deliveries
    will restart in a few weeks.

    Flourens notes that progress in production is clearly
    being made, but concedes that seat issues and supply bottlenecks on the
    Trent 900 following last year’s uncontained engine failure on a Qantas
    A380 that has eaten up spares supplies will mean deliveries are heavily
    backloaded in the second half. Lead time for production, however, is
    significantly down, he stresses.

    Production, meanwhile, is set to continue ramping up,
    with a goal of reaching three aircraft per month next year from about
    2.5 aircraft per month this year.
    JPRS
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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Mer 25 Mai 2011 - 13:50

    Bonnes nouvelles tout ça quand même


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    Message par Beochien Mer 25 Mai 2011 - 18:55

    Bonjour !

    Le Whopper Jumbo vu par les Aussies !
    Bientôt le 380-1000 / 1000 Pax (Juste aprés le 38-900) Holé !
    AF et LH intéressés ... hum !

    ---------- De l'Australian Business Traveller, Le lien, l'article !------------

    http://www.ausbt.com.au/airlines-supersize-the-airbus-a380-superjumbo-from-407-seats-to-1-000-seats

    A380-800 - Page 17 4dd8b008af904843be4e48b3767f1341-a380-whopperjumbo

    Say goodbye to the superjumbo, meet the Airbus whopperjumbo (we're just kidding, it's only a bit of Photoshop mischief)

    From a spacious 407 seats configuration to a possible 1,000 seat
    capacity, airlines continue to tailor and tweak the Airbus A380 to suit
    their needs and that of the changing travel market.
    This weekend saw confirmation that Singapore Airlines second-series A380 will extend business class to run the entire length of the upper deck, delivering 86 of these plush premium seats while cutting the economy section back to 311 seats.
    Add the 12 first-class suites at the pointy end of the plane and
    that's a total of 409 seats – just two more seats than Korean Air, which
    debuted a similar A380 business-only upper deck layout in December last year.
    (Yes, if SQ had ditched three economy seats they could have snared
    bragging rights for the world's most spacious A380, albeit based on
    total seat count rather than legroom.)
    Qantas is also boosting the bench count on its A380s, with orders for eight new superjumbos dropping first class in favour of business, premium economy and economy class seating.
    The Australian flag-carrier remains tight-lipped about the final
    layout but we're expecting to see premium economy boosted from the
    current 32 seats to some 88 seats by extending further along the top
    deck, while business class will nudge north from 72 seats to 77.
    Counting an unchanged 332 economy seats, this would see the Red Roo's A380 capacity jump from the current 450 seats to 497.

    That's the fourth-highest capacity Airbus A380 in the world –
    slightly more than Emirates' 489 seats but still well behind the 508
    seat floorplan of the Malaysian Airlines A380, Lufthansa's 526 seats and the maxed-out 538 seats on board an Air France A380.

    What's next?

    French airline Air Austral has ordered a pair of A380s packed with
    economy seats from tip to tail for a whopping 840 seat capacity. The
    super-sardinecans – sorry, superjumbos – are due to begin service in
    2014.
    And if you think today's A380 is massive, wait until the next
    generation of the superjumbo. Airbus is working on an even larger and
    longer version of the double-decker plane, the A380-900 (compared to today's A380-800 series).
    The A380-900 will carry 650 passengers in a standard multi-class
    configuration and 900 passengers in economy-only mode, while Lufthansa
    and Air France are already eying an enhanced 1,000 seat version that's
    also on the drawing board called -- you guessed it -- the A380-1000.

    JPRS
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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Mar 14 Juin 2011 - 11:08

    Bonjour à tous

    Petit bilan de la production actuelle de l'A380

    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/06/14/357918/toulouse-on-track-with-a350xwb.html


    Over the past two years Airbus has brought down its final assembly cycle for the A380 by 30%, from 14 months to 10. The improvement signals the overcoming of the early production bottlenecks that weighed down the manufacturer as out-of-sequence structural components piled up and forced it to transfer personnel from other plants to complete and correct work in sections that had already been shipped for assembly.
    Assembly will start in June on the first A380 for Malaysia Airlines, the eighth carrier to join the list of operators for the type.
    Korean Air took delivery of its first A380 on 24 May - with four more for the Seoul-based airline due to be handed over this year - while the first China Southern airframe, having made its maiden flight on 3 March, will be delivered in the second half of this year.

    © Airbus

    Barrelling on: a composite fuselage section for the A350 XWB is rolled out in Hamburg

    By the end of May, says Airbus executive vice-president for programmes Tom Williams, 79 customer A380s had gone through the wing-fuselage mating process in Toulouse. Ten customer aircraft were on the Toulouse final assembly line with 16 on the line in Hamburg.
    Airbus's efforts to smooth the production run have been hampered by the Qantas in-flight Rolls-Royce Trent 900 engine failure in November 2010, which resulted in the three Trent-powered A380 operators having to replace several engines on their fleets.
    In the wake of the incident R-R instigated removal of all 42 engines with an early-standard modification of oil feed pipes in the intermediate turbine, and another 11 with subsequent designs. Airbus has also had to deal with the consequences of the Japanese earthquake, which affected the supplier of Trent 900 low-pressure turbine blades.
    Williams admits that "there has been an impact on the delivery of new engines" but a recovery plan, agreed with R-R, is in place "to protect the final assembly line and deliveries". Engine deliveries, he says, are expected to be recovered by the first quarter of 2012.
    By mid-April the A380 had achieved more than 30,000 revenue flights, transporting 12 million passengers, and clocked up 270,000h.

    The airframer is maintaining pressure on the rival Boeing 747-8, the passenger version of which has struggled to attract customers. A380 director of product marketing Richard Carcaillet claims a 405-seat 747-8's fuel burn per seat is 8% more than the A380 at 525 seats, and that Boeing's comparison showing the 747-8's figures as being better than the A380 have been achieved by using a higher A380 empty weight and different cabin standards.
    Airbus is planning improvements to the double-deck aircraft, with increased design weights enabling it to offer greater payload-range capabilities from 2013, says Williams.

    Retour à la normale pour les livraisons de T900 Q1 2012
    Pb Koito temporairement écarté (à voir avec la nouvelle AD)

    Version améliorée 2013 à venir

    La comparaison d'un 747-8I à 405 places avec un A380-800 à 525 places donne -8% à la place en conso pour l'A380 (actuel)
    Pour mémoire si LHA est à 526 en A380 elle est à 386 places en 747-8I

    https://avia.superforum.fr/t165p240-boeing-747-8f-et-i#22866


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    Message par Beochien Mar 14 Juin 2011 - 18:07

    Bonjour !
    L'édito que m'envoie Aspire aviation !
    Bien fait !
    C'es HK Aviation, Vs Cathay Pacific, et A380 vs B748, sur fond de fret ...
    Long et complexe, pour les courageux !
    D'aprés eux, ce sera le 748 pour Cathay !

    ----------------- Aspire, le lien, et un extrait ------------

    Il se copie bien, et avec les images, je le laisse complet !

    http://www.aspireaviation.com/2011/06/14/hong-kong-airlines-a380-order/

    A380 more suitable for Hong Kong Airlines than Cathay

    Posted: 14 Jun 2011 04:00 AM PDT
    Since announcing its memorandum of understanding (MoU) for 30 Boeing 787-9
    Dreamliners, 2 787-8 VIPs and 6 Boeing 777F freighters at this March’s
    Asian Aerospace in Hong Kong, Hong Kong Airlines is going to sign yet
    another memorandum of understanding (MoU) for 5 of the world’s largest
    passenger aircraft, the Airbus A380 superjumbo as well as options for 5
    more examples, Aspire Aviation learned, in a clear sign to challenge Hong Kong’s largest carrier Cathay Pacific Airways.
    The news of Hong Kong Airlines’ order for the A380 was confirmed
    by a company spokeswoman to the media yesterday, ending weeks of
    rumours that the A380 deal was being rekindled after failing through
    owing to procedural errors involved in the negotiation process between
    HNA Group, Hong Kong Airlines’ parent, and European aircraft
    manufacturer Airbus this March.
    This is yet another testament to Hong Kong Airlines’ ambitious growth
    plan which adds to the airline’s backlog of aircraft orders, including
    30 Airbus A320s, 4 A330-300s, 8 A330-200s yet to be delivered and 15
    A350-900 XWB (Extra Wide Body) aircraft. Along with the MoU for 38
    Boeing aircraft announced earlier this year, coupled with this A380 MOU,
    the airline’s backlog of firm orders and commitments would total 85
    aircraft, in line with Cathay Pacific’s existing order backlog for 88
    aircraft, which is expected to order an additional 14 Boeing 777
    aircraft in the near future, possibly including around 4 Boeing 777F
    freighters, Aspire Aviation was told by its source at the oneworld alliance member.
    Interestingly, Cathay Pacific has in fact evaluated the A380
    superjumbo on multiple occasions within the last few years but was not
    convinced by the its business case. Aspire Aviation nonetheless
    views the Airbus A380 being more suitable for Hong Kong Airlines than
    Cathay Pacific, due to the decidedly different commercial strategies
    they adopt and the latter’s reliance on underbelly cargo to generate
    glamorous profits.
    For instance, Hong Kong Airlines seems to be focusing more on its
    passenger volume whereas Cathay Pacific puts a significant emphasis on
    not only passenger yields, but also cargo yields.A380-800 - Page 17 2613
    Image Courtesy of Airbus

    Only 30% of Cathay Pacific’s HK$25.9 billion (US$3.3 billion) cargo
    revenues in 2010 was generated by dedicated freighter flights whereas
    the remainder were carried in the underbelly cargo space of passenger
    aircraft, and both the Boeing 747-8I Intercontinental and Airbus A380
    have significantly smaller revenue cargo volumes than the Boeing
    777-300ER, which airlines can sell this remaining cargo space after all
    the luggage of passengers have been loaded onto the aircraft to carry
    lucrative, high profit-margin cargo packages.
    The A380 has a total cargo volume of 6,191 cubic feet and a revenue
    cargo volume of 3,336 cubic feet whereas the 747-8I has a total cargo
    volume of 5,705 cu. ft but a revenue cargo volume of 3,895 cu. ft.
    Similarly, the 777-300ER has a total cargo volume of 7,120 cu. ft. and a
    revenue cargo volume of 5,191 cu. ft.
    As Cathay Pacific will be evaluating the very large airplanes (VLA)
    within the next few years, the size of the revenue cargo volume is
    critical in Cathay’s evaluation and Aspire Aviation believes
    this makes the 747-8I Intercontinental the frontrunner in any VLA
    competition at the carrier, and with not only Airbus conducting
    aggressive pricing on its A380, but also Boeing pushing hard on the
    747-8I Intercontinental sales, a fierce competition is nothing but a
    certainty and an inevitable dogfight is inevitably going to follow.
    “Sometime in the next two years we will have a good look at the large
    aircraft, the 747-8I and A380,” Cathay Pacific chief executive John
    Slosar conceded.
    Meanwhile, another factor that works in the favour of very large
    airplane (VLA) and increases the prospect of a niche very large airplane
    (VLA) fleet at Cathay Pacific is the anticipated capacity constraint at
    Hong Kong International Airport (HKIA), which has recently started a
    public consultation on the possibility of constructing a third runway at
    the airport to relieve it from reaching a capacity saturation point in
    2020, a controversial issue under heated debate in the local community
    (“Hong Kong Airport’s 3rd runway debate misguided“,
    10th Jun 11). Even if the Hong Kong government gives an official
    go-ahead to the multibillion infrastructure project, the construction of
    the 3rd runway would take another decade and it will be 10 years from
    now before the new runway enters service.
    While the capacity constraint at HKIA is undoubtedly a factor in Cathay’s evaluation of very large airplane, Aspire Aviation thinks it may not be as significant a factor as it currently stands.
    Should HK government give the go-ahead to the construction of the third
    runway in next year, the runway capacity saturation issue may be
    short-lived one for a few years, as the new runway would enter service
    10 years from now, thereby implies a few years of runway capacity
    shortage. This is subject to change, however, and could prove to be a
    determining factor should the Hong Kong government fail to secure
    approval from lawmakers to build the third runway.
    Instead, Cathay’s evaluation of the very large airplane (VLA) is
    likely to be centered on its frequency-based business model and whether
    the Boeing 747-8I Intercontinental or Airbus A380 fits the airline’s
    operations or not. Even if CX weighs an order for the 747-8I or A380,
    any capacity growth must not come at the expense of frequencies or
    passenger and cargo yields, as economic theories state that closer the
    preferred departure time and the actual departure time, the highest
    possibility that this potential demand is turned into actual demand.
    This is crucial to Cathay Pacific’s profitability as last-minute, walkup
    business travellers are often price-inelastic and pay the highest
    ticket price on the flight. As Cathay Pacific intends to remain as a
    premium airline going forward, its emphasis on frequencies is unlikely
    to change. Therefore any new VLA, either the 747-8I or A380, must enable
    Cathay to grow its passenger volume while maintaining or even
    increasing its passenger yields.
    “It’s important for our customers not to have to think about whether
    we have a flight or not when they want to travel. We don’t want them to
    have to think about the schedule. We have the perfect aircraft types in
    their category right now in the 777 and A330. They are the ultimate in
    efficiency. Frequency is so important; we want four or five flights a
    day so we cover the clock,” Cathay Pacific chief executive John Slosar
    reiterated.
    Unlike Cathay, Hong Kong Airlines is significantly less reliant on
    premium passengers and cargo. The airline operates 2 leased Airbus
    A330-200F freighters and a single Boeing 737-300F freighter on
    intra-Asian cargo routes and even with its MoU for 5 Boeing 777F
    freighters, the scale of its cargo operations is hardly comparable to
    those of Cathay Pacific, which operates 12 Boeing 747-400 BCF (Boeing
    Converted Freighter), 6 B747-400F freighters and 6 B747-400ERF (Extended
    Range Freighters) and has 10 of the world’s largest freight airplane,
    the Boeing 747-8F freighters on order.
    Notwithstanding the A380 fitting Hong Kong Airlines’ business model
    better than it fits Cathay’s one and despite ordering the A380 carries
    an advertising effect as an associated benefit, Hong Kong Airlines’
    order for the A380 raises more questions than answers, at least in the
    foreseeable future.
    For instance, Hong Kong Airlines has a relatively low brand
    recognition which is particularly important in attracting lucrative
    business travellers. According to the investment bank Royal Bank of
    Scotland (RBS), Hong Kong Airlines only accounts for less than 10% of
    total outbound passenger traffic in Hong Kong. The airline also engages
    in heavy discounting, selling economy class and even business class
    tickets at rock bottom prices, with a roundtrip economy class ticket
    from Hong Kong to Beijing at prices as low as HKD$780 (US$100) excluding
    taxes and fuel surcharges, and a roundtrip business class ticket from
    Hong Kong to Shanghai at prices as low as HK$4,200 (US$538), even
    considerably cheaper than a comparable full-price economy class ticket
    at Cathay Pacific.
    While Hong Kong Airlines does have a relatively lower cost base,
    including a cheaper labour cost structure when compared to its
    competitors, a lack of ancillary revenue streams, which remains untapped
    of at the moment, coupled with the aggressive pricing strategy it
    adopts, makes the passenger yields and profit margins on its flights,
    measured in terms of revenue per revenue passenger kilometres (RPK)
    under considerable pressure.
    As Hong Kong Airlines targets the lower end segment of the business
    travel market, it has to build a considerably larger lounge at Hong Kong
    International Airport and add more features, including showering
    facilities, personal seats which enable premium passengers to watch
    on-demand movies and listen to music which are not currently included
    and build a more competitive frequent flier programme which does not yet
    have the scale and convenience of the competing Marco Polo Club at
    Cathay Pacific which it intends to compete with.
    It is capital-intensive and time costly to establish a strong brand
    where the incumbent undeniably has an advantage and it needs a more
    solid, credible and clearer business strategy, not just the Airbus A380,
    in achieving this goal and improving the overall profitability of the
    group, which has made a profit of HK$110 million (US$14 million) in
    2010, its first profit since the airline’s establishment in 2006.
    “The best airlines in the world operate A380s, so if we want to be
    one of the best, we need to add the A380 to our fleet,” a Hong Kong
    Airlines official told flightglobal on condition of anonymity.A380-800 - Page 17 Screen-shot-2011-06-14-at-6.49.57-PM
    Image Courtesy of Lukas Jenkner

    A point which is noteworthy is, the biggest aircraft in Hong Kong
    Airlines’ existing fleet is the 283-seat A330-200 in a two-class
    configuration, ordering the A380 at this early stage may unavoidably
    create a capacity gap within its fleet, which will still remain evident
    and significant even as the larger A330-300 sibling and A350-900 XWB
    enter service. Therefore it remains to be seen if Hong Kong Airlines is
    able to fill up the A380 on trunk routes which Hong Kong Airlines are
    not flying to, including New York, London and Sydney, without decimating
    its passenger yields by discounting on the flights.
    While passenger yields are admittedly going to improve as the
    airline’s market share and leverage grows over time, and there is a huge
    growth potential lying ahead of Hong Kong Airlines, a clear and
    credible strategic plan to realise the airline’ fullest potential has to
    be laid out.
    Furthermore, while the Asia/Pacific aviation market is a promising
    one for carriers in the region including Hong Kong Airlines, Hong Kong
    Airlines also has to prove that it is different from its parent HNA
    Group and is able to avoid the missteps and mistakes made by its parent
    HNA Group, should it intend to launch an initial public offering (IPO)
    at the Hong Kong Stock Exchange (HKEX) in 2012 or 2013 and convince
    investors to invest in the airline.
    HNA Group, which owns 45% of shares in Hong Kong Airlines and Hong
    Kong Express Airways, launched a restructuring programme aimed at
    simplifying its complicated shareholding structure in 2007 and created
    Grand China Air to acquire the remaining shares of Shanxi Airlines,
    Chang’an Airlines and China Xinhua Airlines into a single, seamless
    operation. Nearly half a decade on, the simplifying process has proved
    to be a painstakingly slow one, with only Shanxi Airlines being
    successfully merged into Hainan Airlines (“Profitability of Chinese Carriers“, Aspire Aviation Store, May 2011). China Xinhua Airlines and Chang’an Airlines remain 67.59% and 87.32%, respectively, owned by Hainan Airlines.
    A separate backdoor listing by HNA Group for its aircraft leasing arm
    Hong Kong Aviation Capital Leasing also failed in 2010 through an
    acquisition of shares in Hong Kong-listed Lung Cheong International
    Holdings.
    Similarly, the possible merger between Hong Kong Airlines and Hong
    Kong Express which is currently being considered should be carried out
    in a smooth and efficient manner in order to consolidate its brands and
    strengthen its brand awareness instead of creating unnecessary brand
    confusions among business travellers.
    Last but not least, while Hong Kong Airlines’ order for the A380 is a
    positive step and is a testament to its ambitious growth plan, such an
    order at this early stage nevertheless represents a significant risk for
    the carrier and a clear strategic plan, not just by ordering the A380s,
    needs to be formed in order for the carrier to become one of the best
    airlines in the world and realise its fullest potential.

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    Message par pascal974 Jeu 16 Juin 2011 - 5:49

    enfin Aspire aviation n'est pas vraiment une référence ....le mec qui gère le forum est un peu pro boeing Mad .... dans un sens il a raison vu la stratégie de cathay ....basé sur la fréquence + fret
    l'A380-800 n'est pas adapté pour eux ....sur certaines ligne s'ils s'en fouttent que l'avion soit moité vide ...ils le rattrappe sur le fret .. ....la soute du 77W est une mine d'or !!! lol . bounce
    dommage qu'airbus traine un peu les peids pour l'A380-900 ... Neutral
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    Message par pascal83 Jeu 16 Juin 2011 - 13:46

    http://www.aero.de/news-12884/Airbus-liefert-fuenfzigste-A380-an-einen-Kunden-aus.html SIA à recu le 50eme A380 n°MSN058
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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Jeu 16 Juin 2011 - 13:57

    Merci Pascal

    Je pensais qu'airbus ferait un petit show pour le 50ème surtout vue la proximité du bourget


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    Message par Beochien Jeu 16 Juin 2011 - 14:03

    Bof, pas trop glorieux, ce A380 SIA, dans les 6 mois de retard où par là, à cause des sièges Kioto ... !
    A oublier !
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    Message par pascal83 Dim 19 Juin 2011 - 16:40

    MSN064A380-861F-WWAUF-HPJFAir France (6th)2010-08-27-FFDA
    2011-06-17
    (51st)
    le 6eme a380 a été receptionné par af et se sera le 51émé a380
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    Message par pascal974 Mer 22 Juin 2011 - 7:24

    ...dommage qu'airbus ne lance pas la version 900 ...
    question combien couterais a airbus la version 900 ? faut-il des nouveaux moteur ?
    Pierre-Henri Gourgeon le boss d'air france en parle : J’attends deux avions. Le premier est la version allongée de l’A380. On devrait pouvoir ajouter 150 passagers. Cet avion en a la capacité, il a déjà les ailes prévues pour cela.
    http://www.la-croix.com/Actualite/S-informer/Economie/Pierre-Henri-Gourgeon-Le-gouvernement-ne-nous-demande-pas-d-inflechir-notre-processus-de-decision-_EG_-2011-06-19-646057
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    Message par Beochien Mer 22 Juin 2011 - 7:44

    Bonjour Pascal !

    L'A389, hum, ce sont certainement 2-3 milliards ... et Airbus n'a guère de fenêtre pour le lancer ... sans sacrifier du temps NEO ou A350 !
    Pour les moteurs ... ben c'est 5-7 % de mieux , vers les 75-77 000 lbs en principe les motoristes savent faire, mais au vu des dernières expériences, il vaudrait peut être mieux attendre le TXWB, qui tombe en plein dedans, et voire si EA, bougera un peu (Ce n'est pas gagné) , des technos GEnx à incorporer, par exemple , un fan plus léger, aussi !
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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Mer 22 Juin 2011 - 9:06

    Beochien,
    Pour quad il faut se méfier, ce qui est dimensionnant c'est la poussée en fin de montée qui est à puissance de décollage équivalente plus importante que sur un twin ...
    Donc 75 000 lbs en twin ne sont pas équivalents à 75 000 lbs en quad


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    Message par Beochien Mer 22 Juin 2011 - 9:22

    Salut Poncho !

    Rien à voir avec Bi ou Quad ...
    J'ai juste fait F/ de l'augmentation de poids de l'oiseau, 32 Tonnes, 6% vs augmentation de la poussée nécessaire !
    Et bien utile pour décoller partout ! Voir les PB Qantas à LAX !
    C'est une relation, assez stable et constante, pour chaque catégorie d'avion, si tu veux utiliser les mêmes pistes !

    C'est sûr qu'un Bi "Long Haul", passe plus vite au dessus des 40 000 pieds, c'est normal !
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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Mer 22 Juin 2011 - 9:32

    Ce que je veux dire :
    Quelle équivalent poussée pour le TXWB sur l'A380 ?


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    Message par Beochien Mer 22 Juin 2011 - 10:15

    Pour le décollage ... faut ce qu'il faut en P, et, c'est tout ...
    Aprés, il faudra optimiser, certainement pour la montée et la croisière !
    Effectivement un moteur BI à des courbes différentes d'un moteur Quad, mais les constructeurs savent faire, même GE y es arrivé sur le 748 ! Wink
    Le moteur devrait être celui du 358-9, pour la gamme de puissance !
    Aprés pour les technos, ça dépendra de quand, peut être les technos du moteur du 351 qui re-descendront un jour !
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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Mer 22 Juin 2011 - 10:24

    Le GenX2B67 pousse moins fort que les GenX1 Wink


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    Message par Beochien Mer 22 Juin 2011 - 10:44

    Mouais Poncho ... Le 748 n'a pas besoin de plus ! mais le GEnx 2B doit aussi perdre qq points de sfc pour les PB de diamètres de By pass !
    Pour le TXWB, je crois qu'il n'y aura pas de PB, ni en P, car ce sera dans la gamme basse , même pour un 389 !
    Et les tweaking's seront moins importants que pour le 787 !
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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Mer 22 Juin 2011 - 10:53

    Oui le TXWB y sera sans pb

    Mais je ferais l'exercice quand j'aurais un peu de temps ... pour savoir sur quelle poussée "équivalent twin" il faut partir


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    Message par Beochien Mer 22 Juin 2011 - 11:01

    Et tu verras que les poussées de décollage ... bof, peu de nuances à espérer, à part le thrust bump !
    C'est pratiquement une obligation, VS le poids avec la régle Bi ou Quad à appliquer !

    Mais que les fin de montée et les P de croisière c'est effectivement trés différent , un régime en % du max, bien inférieur pour les BI !
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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Mer 22 Juin 2011 - 11:42

    Celle là, elle est importante je pense

    http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/commercial_aviation/ThingsWithWings/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=7a78f54e-b3dd-4fa6-ae6e-dff2ffd7bdbb&plckPostId=Blog%3a7a78f54e-b3dd-4fa6-ae6e-dff2ffd7bdbbPost%3a8aae760f-8193-43f3-9550-abecca3f60c8&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest

    The A380 also offers a range advantage that the 747-8 will never achieve. Emirates will begin flying nonstop from Dubai to Los Angeles on the A380 from 2013, when it begins to take delivery of A380s equipped with Engine Alliance GP7272 engines. These will develop 72,000 lbs of thrust, compared with 70,000 lbs of thrust for the in-service GP7000 engines. The new engines will allow the A380 to fly the route at full passenger payload. “The 747-8 will certainly, definitely not be able to match that and fly the route,” says Carcaillet.

    En 2013 Dubai/Los Angeles en A380-800 à pleine charge (sens le plus défavorable?) notamment grâce à des EA GP qui passent de 70 à 72 000 lbs
    A suivre

    Pas besoin d'A380-800R donc


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    Message par Beochien Mer 22 Juin 2011 - 12:04

    Merci Poncho !

    Les poids devront augmenter un peu côté MTOW, c'est dans buzz depuis qq temps !
    Bon, les 72 000 lbs, RR le fait pour Qantas ! bom (Compensation signée today, 95 Millions de A$ )
    Heureusement pour Qatar, ou Emirates, la piste courte et merdic de LAX, c'est pour rentrer "East"

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