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    Airbus A350XWB (partie 1)


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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Mar 20 Avr 2010 - 16:57

    Ah ben ça alors

    http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/avd/2010/04/20/05.xml&headline=Airbus Delays A350 Final Assembly Start&channel=comm



    Longer-than-anticipated design activities for the A350XWB twin widebody are forcing Airbus to delay the aircraft’s final assembly start and first flight by several months.

    Nevertheless, the aircraft maker still plans to deliver the first A350-900 as scheduled in mid-2013.

    “Three months of buffer have been used,” says A350 program chief Didier Evrard.

    The three months were lost on a variety of efforts. One was to take more time to complete detailed finite element model work, fully refining the center wing box configuration, and to optimize fuselage damage tolerance. Extra work was also needed on the fuselage electric structural network.

    Under the new schedule, final assembly starts at the end of the third quarter 2011, rather than the end of the second quarter, and first flight has slipped to the third quarter f 2012.

    The time also allowed developers to conduct further analysis to shave weight from the total, says program chief engineer Gordon McConnell. On one structural element alone, that effort achieved 60 kg of weight reduction.

    Most of the systems development remains on schedule, Evrard says.

    The schedule adjustment compresses flight testing to 12 months from 15 months. Airbus will have five test aircraft to log about 2,600 flight test hours.

    Meanwhile, wind tunnel testing and computer modeling show that long-range cruise speed is slightly above the Mach 0.85 target. Low-speed performance also has improved, with 475 ft. better takeoff performance and four metric tons higher takeoff weight performance in hot-and-high conditions, McConnell says.

    Airbus also has launched a program to create some additional buffer in case it is needed.

    There are no changes to the -800 and -1000 schedules, Evrard notes.

    Airbus also has set up a special organization to work on the -1000, the largest member of the family. Its design freeze is planned next year. Evrard says the -1000 could feature technology upgrades since the selection was made for the lead version, the -900. Evrard says there are strategic decisions to be made on the -1000 that the personnel focused on birthing the -900 cannot address. Still, the 400 people will have close ties into the overall program to keep the A350 family concept alive, Evrard stresses.

    Among the issues to be looked at might be whether composites could be used in parts of the landing gear.

    The first Rolls-Royce TrentXWB engine to test is now in assembly for first run at the end of May. Seven engines are to run in the first six months. The TrentXWB will be airborne in the second quarter 2011 on the first A380 (MSN001).



    + 1 trimestre avant l'assemblage
    + 1 trimestre avant le premier vol
    + 0 pour la livraison : compression des essais en vol de 15 à 12 mois

    A ce stade les performances de l'aile semblent très bonne et au delà specs.

    A suivre sur le -1000 peut être des optimisations non intégrées à l'origine... on semble se diriger de plus en plus vers un avion presque à part dans la famille...

    Le trent XWB tournera au banc fin mai, avant de voler sur un A380 ( Beochien ? Airbus A350XWB (partie 1) - Page 8 662529) fin S1 2011

    Bonne lecture

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    Message par Beochien Mar 20 Avr 2010 - 17:26

    Trés bien toutes ces nouvelles !

    Pas de gros pépins (Poids) à adresser !
    Pour les test de structures, faudra attendre un peu !
    3 mois de retard, bof, ils en prendront peut être d'autres, rien à voir avec les presque 3 ans du 787 !

    Plus de doutes, quant à l'industrialisation, ils en auront 7-800 à faire à l'EIS!

    Mais même méthode que Boeing pour rattraper les retards aux essais ... pas terrible, pas le droit de se tromper, et 5 avions sur les bras !

    Avec 7 moteurs, ils pourraient en essayer 4 à la fois sur le A380 ... suivez mon regard ... 6-7 % de SFC en moins vs les T900 ! Ce sont 5-600 nm en plus, ça plairait à EK, et il pourrait chez RR !
    Bon, je ne sais pas si les diamètres vont passer pour le moteurs externes, mais, pour le lancement du 380-900, comme un minimum dans 1 ou 2 ans, cette motorisation me paraît indiquée. Et RR ne dira pas non !
    Au 200 eme A380, ils auront monté pas mal moteurs sous l'aile, plus les Spare !

    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/03/06/323432/r-r-details-trent-xwb-development-strategy.html

    Je vois plutôt de bonnes nouvelles dans cet article !

    JPRS


    Dernière édition par Beochien le Mar 20 Avr 2010 - 19:25, édité 1 fois

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    Message par Beochien Mar 20 Avr 2010 - 18:09

    Au secours l'admi ! il y en à 2 de trop ! drunken
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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Mar 20 Avr 2010 - 18:55

    Et hop
    Baguette magique

    Wink


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    Message par pascal83 Jeu 22 Avr 2010 - 20:50

    http://www.flightglobal.com/home/default.aspx

    Ailes plus grande pour l"A350-1000
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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Jeu 22 Avr 2010 - 22:04

    Salut Pascal

    Merci

    Je mets le lien complet

    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/04/23/341004/airbus-opts-for-larger-wing-on-a350-1000-through-trailing-edge.html


    Airbus is working to reach the design freeze for the largest A350 variant, the -1000, in the middle of this year and has revealed the that stretched aircraft will feature a slightly larger wing the -800/900 models.
    The 369-seat -1000, which has an 11-frame stretch over the -900, is due to enter service at the end of 2015. A separate A350-1000 design team was set up in 2009, headed by the XWB programme's deputy engineer Alain De-Zotti, which is examining trade-offs for the design, says chief engineer Gordon McConnell. Detailed definition is due to be completed at the end of 2011.
    Airbus's operational requirement targets for the -1000 include keeping the approach speed to 150kt (277km/h) at maximum landing weight, compliance with London's QC1 noise requirements for arrival and QC2 for departures, and the capability to reach an initial cruise altitude of 33,000ft (10,000m) in less than 30min.

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    "With these parameters we were able to do the work to design the wing, and we found that with some changes to the trailing edge we can meet all these requirements," says McConnell.
    The wing will feature a trailing-edge extension, which McConnell describes as "quite a big change because it extends the high-lift devices and the ailerons, making the chord bigger by a maximum of around 400mm [15.7in]. We've been able to optimise the flap lift performance as well as gain more performance in the cruise."
    The -1000 design team will work this year to finalise the changes over the -800/900, with some other less significant trade-offs to be completed on the configuration. Windtunnel tests will be run this year based on the enlarged wing, covering both performance and loads. "This will allow us to size the structure properly, which will give us a good idea on the weight delta of the aircraft," says McConnell


    La modification de l'aile porte sur l'extension de 40 cm du bord de fuite. Pas de modif de l'envergure.
    A priori, l'aile déplacée d'un couple (frame ?) vers l'avant pour optimiser le chargement et les performances


    Voilà voilà

    Le reste est dans l'article

    Bonne lecture


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    Message par Beochien Ven 23 Avr 2010 - 10:42

    Bonjour

    Ca doit faire dans les 20 M2 de plus de surface portante !
    Pas négligeable du tout !
    Ca peut changer qq paramètres !
    De toute façon, l'aile commune à tous les modèles, c'est loin d'être une solution optimum, donc chacun la sienne, tant mieux !
    Prochaine étape .... réduire (Ajuster) l'aile du A350-800 ?? Laughing

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    Message par Beochien Ven 23 Avr 2010 - 15:17

    Bonjour !

    Juste noté que pour améliorer les centrages, Airbus a fait glisser la Wing Box, d'un cran vers l'avant(Frame)

    Bonne méthode de fabrication, côté Airbus, tout reste assez flexible pour l'avenir, pour le Freighter en particulier .... ou pour le 350-11 déjà pondu ce matin, par Keesje sue A.Net Shocked !

    Juste imaginer la même manoeuvre de re-centrage, sur le 787 ! Impossible ! Evil or Very Mad

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    Message par art_way Ven 23 Avr 2010 - 15:39

    Bonjour Beochien,

    Merci pour ces informations.
    Je pense que le -800 et le -1000 auront quelques mois de retard, mais par contre si Airbus arrive à sortir le -900 dans les temps, les clients râleront moins.

    Sinon quelqu'un a des informations concernant le 787-10 ? vont-ils le faire ou plutôt up-grader le 777 ?

    En tout cas j'espère que le 350 sera beaucoup mieux industrialisé (avec l'expérience de la chaine 330-340) que le 380 car les avions sortent toujours au compte goutte. Airbus A350XWB (partie 1) - Page 8 Icon_cry


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    Message par Beochien Ven 23 Avr 2010 - 15:48

    Bonjour Art-Way !

    On en est là sur le fil 787, d'hier !
    Faut suivre ! Wink

    During the earnings call, McNerney said a larger version of the 787 that Boeing has studied, the 787-10, looks less likely.

    He said improvements to the second version of the Dreamliner, the 787-9, as well as possible design changes to Boeing's larger 777, may cover the requirements of airlines in the large twin-jet category, without the need for a 787-10.

    Potential changes to the 777 include new carbon-fiber structure, he said — presumably new composite wings.

    Albaugh said later that McNerney was "commenting on some preliminary data that was shown to him," and no firm decision on the 787-10 has been made


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    Message par art_way Ven 23 Avr 2010 - 16:02

    Merci Beochien,

    Des fois c'est dur de tout cumuler.... Airbus A350XWB (partie 1) - Page 8 640957


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    Message par Beochien Ven 23 Avr 2010 - 16:17

    Bonjour

    Je m'attends aussi, pour Farnborough, à ce que Airbus réanime au moins une version plus "Medium range de +/- 5000 Nm" pour le 350- 800 ou 900 voire le 1000, sais pas lequel ls choisiront, avec 20 tonnes de MTOW en moins !

    Ils l'avaient annoncé il y à 2 ans, puis mis précipitamment au frigo !
    Je ne crois pas qu'il y aient renoncé !
    Juste mon avis !

    JPRS
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    Message par art_way Ven 23 Avr 2010 - 16:28

    Il y aura vraiment beaucoup de nouveautés à ce salon (Moteurs A320/B737, A350, B747, B787) et de belles commandes...

    Et en prime, peut-être quelques belles surprise dont ce fameux A350-800SP


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    Message par Beochien Ven 23 Avr 2010 - 17:48

    Je crois que beaucoup de cies EU n'ont pas commandé, le A350, sans pour autant se charger de 787 !
    L'heure des décisions, du côté de Fanborough, est bien venue du côté de :

    AF group KLM,/ AL et pas de GE à l'horizon !
    IB
    BA qui à commandé très peu de 787 !
    Lufthansa Group
    Tap, peut être!

    Et il reste qq cies US quand même !
    Delta au premier rang !
    http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/04/boeing-787-may-not-land-at-del.html

    Pour moi, il reste 200 gros porteurs à prendre en cde cette année,chez les majeurs, à choisir entre 787 et A350 chez des clients, qui n'ont pas plongé (Ou si peu) sur le 787 !

    De ces 5-6 groupes de, clients, dépends la différence entre un franc succés du A350, et un moindre mal en 1/2 teintes !

    John Leahy ! à vous de jouer pour ramener tout cela de Farnborough !

    JPRS
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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Ven 23 Avr 2010 - 21:24

    Rebonjour

    Optimisation du programme d'essai de l'A350XWB

    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/04/23/340991/airbus-devises-plan-to-compress-a350-flight-testing-by-three.html



    Airbus aims to meet the A350's mid-2013 service-entry target by compressing the flight-test programme into 12 months, after revealing that it has burnt up some of the development programme's " buffer".
    The A350-900's 12-month, 2,600h flight-test programme will begin in mid-2012 with the maiden flight of the first of five development aircraft.
    The date for the first flight has slipped by three months because of development delays in the aircraft's structural design, but Airbus is confident it can meet the mid-2013 service entry target for launch customer Qatar Airways by reducing the original 15-month test programme by three months.
    "We've got five aircraft in the flight-test programme - which is more than we usually have," says A350 chief engineer Gordon McConnell.
    He says that the original 15-month plan had been generous - some customers had questioned why it would take Airbus so long - and the airframer has been running projects with its flight-test and engineering teams to devise ways of compressing it.



    One example is the flight manual process, says McConnell: "In the past we've done the aerodynamic testing to freeze the configuration, then the performance testing, and then built the flight manual. We've been working to make that a more concurrent effort."
    The flight manual will now be built ahead of flight testing and will then be checked during flight-testing, with adjustments being made when necessary. "We've been able to save quite a lot of time on that critical path," he says.
    The first two A350s to fly (MSN001 and 003) will be heavily instrumented. MSN001 will undertake all of the flight-envelope opening at the beginning of programme, to enable the aerodynamic and flight-control configurations to be frozen.
    "MSN003 will be more devoted to performance and systems testing, but the two aircraft will be interchangeable because they have the same instrumentation," says McConnell.
    The third A350 to fly will be MSN002, which will have a cabin installed. "We'll fly that early in the programme so we can do proper operational testing on the cabin and deliver a mature aircraft to customers," says McConnell.
    MSN004 and 005 will undertake operational tests and extended twin-engine operations trials towards the end of the programme, with Airbus planning to have up to four of the first five aircraft airborne before end-2012.



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    Message par Beochien Sam 24 Avr 2010 - 12:29

    Un petit tour à Méaulte avec le Figaro !

    http://www.lefigaro.fr/societes/2010/04/23/04015-20100423ARTFIG00542-airbus-a350-le-compte-a-rebours-est-enclenche-.php

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    Message par art_way Mar 27 Avr 2010 - 16:20

    Airbus' A350 catalogue comes together

    By Mary Kirby

    Airbus's catalogue for the A350 XWB is taking shape, with the
    airframer having completed the selection on the majority of suppliers
    for its initial book.
    "Most of the work packages for the cabin are on board and we are in
    the middle of the joint definition phase. Most of them are even being
    finalised so they start the detailed design by the end of this year,"
    says head of A350 XWB product offering Alexander Herkner.
    For supplier furnished equipment (SFE), such as lavatories and
    galleys, Airbus is taking a modular customisation approach. Galley
    inserts follow Arinc standards for flexibility and ease in exchanging
    equipment.
    For in-flight entertainment and connectivity, the airframer is
    largely forgoing a traditional buyer furnished equipment (BFE) approach.
    Instead, it has designated an 'Airbus contracted supplier' (ACS)
    category for these items to ensure suppliers participate in the joint
    definition phase of the programme and understand the design language of
    the cabin early on.
    To date, Airbus has signed ACS deals with B/E Aerospace, Recaro and
    Zodiac Group unit Weber Aircraft for the provision of economy-class
    seats; and EADS Sogerma for premium-class seats.
    "The initial offering should be three economy-class products and
    three business-class products," says Herkner, noting that the airframer
    "intends to add two more products" to the premium segment.
    Additionally, he says, to offer "more differentiation" in the premium
    cabin, airlines are permitted to "go for a classical BFE approach".
    However, this can only be arranged with one of the ACS suppliers and is
    limited to premium seats.
    For in-flight entertainment, airlines can choose hardware from
    Panasonic Avionics or Thales. An ACS agreement has already been signed
    with the former, and Herkner says a deal with Thales is in the process
    of being finalised.
    Carriers that select Panasonic IFE hardware will be offered a choice
    of two in-flight connectivity solutions. The first comprises Panasonic's
    own connectivity platform for Ku-band satellite-based high-speed
    Internet plus mobile connectivity courtesy of partner AeroMobile. The
    second entails Airbus' Airline Network Architecture version 2 (ALNA V2),
    a modular connectivity platform that uses the Inmarsat SwiftBroadband
    (SBB) aeronautical service over L-band satellites and supports mobile
    connectivity and Wi-Fi services from Airbus/SITA joint venture OnAir.
    Airbus A350XWB (partie 1) - Page 8 GetAsset
    Theoretically, says Herkner, additional in-flight entertainment and
    connectivity solutions could be offered in the future. He notes that
    Airbus is also looking for more standardisation on the integration of
    IFE into seats, and this can be optimised under the ACS process.
    By employing a more modular approach in the cabin, and avoiding a lot
    of complex engineering work after an airline has placed its order,
    Airbus believes it can shave at least four months off the lead time that
    an airline needs to decide on customising its A350s.
    On current programmes, airlines need to make catalogue choices
    approximately one year before delivery and then there is still a lot of
    engineering work. "So what we want to achieve here is to shorten his
    time. We have a vision to go to something like eight months," says
    Herkner. If airlines freeze their configurations at a later point, it
    also means less working capital for Airbus, adds A350 programme manager
    Didier Evrard.
    See Mary Kirby's Runway Girl blog for more information about the A350 catalogue.

    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/04/27/341148/airbus-a350-catalogue-comes-together.html


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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Mer 28 Avr 2010 - 8:19

    Bonjour Art_way

    Le point important c'est qu'il y a désormais des ACS (Airbus Contracted Supplier) imposé aux cies notamment pour les sièges, L'IFE et les WC...

    De quoi faciliter l'industrialisation est limiter les déconvenues de l'A380

    De quoi optimiser aussi probablement l'avion

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    Message par art_way Mer 28 Avr 2010 - 8:22

    Salut Poncho,

    Bien sûr, il faut bien tirer les conséquences de l'A380 !!! Il y aura beaucoup moins de possibilités d'aménagements. Ils devront sortir plus que 15 A350 par an. Airbus A350XWB (partie 1) - Page 8 Icon_lol


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    Message par art_way Mer 28 Avr 2010 - 15:16


    Airbus focuses on family commonality as it begins A350-800 detailed
    design

    By Max Kingsley-Jones

    Airbus is about to begin the detailed design effort of the next XWB iteration,
    the A350-800
    shrink, in parallel with its efforts to begin the industrial ramp-up
    for the initial -900 variant.
    The second member of the A350
    family is due to enter service in the third quarter of 2014, around a
    year after the baseline -900. A stretched variant, the -1000, will
    follow at the end of 2015. Launch customer for all three variants is Qatar
    Airways.
    The -800's concept was revamped in 2009 to be developed as a simple
    shrink of the -900, incorporating minor changes to the systems and
    structure, rather than as an optimised variant.
    "We had been planning to optimise the -800 design a lot for its lower
    take-off weight with a different structure, landing gear and so on,"
    says A350 chief engineer Gordon McConnell. "We're chasing economics to
    provide the lightest possible aircraft."
    However, McConnell says that there was pressure from airlines to
    rethink this plan because of commonality concerns and the wish for
    additional range - the original A350-800 was designed to fly around
    15,360km (8,300nm).
    Airbus A350XWB (partie 1) - Page 8 GetAsset
    "The airlines said that the optimisation wasn't good for their cost
    of ownership if they operated both -800 and -900 variants. Some airlines
    also asked if we could use the -900's structural capability to give the
    -800 more range. Industrially, it also wasn't very good for us to
    optimise it."
    Airbus is going forward with the revamped -800 plan, based around the
    -900, having reached the design freeze late last year. "We've issued
    the design loads for the -800 and we'll start the detailed design this
    year with improved payload/range performance," says McConnell.
    The new -800 has a common wing with the -900 in terms of size,
    configuration and high-lift devices, while much of the structure is also
    identical. The A350-1000, now being defined, will have a wing around 4%
    bigger than the -800/900's, through a trailing-edge extension.
    The -800's fuselage is shortened by 10 frames (six forward and four
    aft), which McConnell says requires changes to the geometry of section
    13/14 (forward), section 16/18 (rear) and the upper shell of section 15
    (centre fuselage).
    "We're only changing systems where we need to because we're
    shortening the fuselage - for example there'll be some adaptation of the
    flight-control software because the aircraft will handle slightly
    differently."
    McConnell says some equipment has been altered and relocated as a
    result of the fuselage being shorter, specifically the crew and
    fire-extinguishing oxygen bottles.
    "The basic weights of the -800 are unchanged [the 248t maximum
    take-off weight, for example], but we have an increased weights
    available as an option," says McConnell.
    An optional 11t increase in MTOW, to 259t, gives up to 460km more
    range. "We have two max zero fuel/max landing weights, which allows us
    to offer 3t more payload capability as an option," McConnell says.
    The -800 engine will be common to the 84,000lb-thrust (374kN)
    Rolls-Royce Trent XWB that powers the -900, but offered at various
    deratings as a result of its lower operating weights.
    The basic 248t MTOW -800 will be offered with a 75,000lb sea level
    thrust rating, while the 279t MTOW option will have 79,000lb thrust.
    "We'll also offer a 'hot and high' rating option flat-rated at 79,000lb
    at higher altitudes and temperatures which uses the full capability of
    the -900's 84,000lb-thrust engine," says McConnell. "Typically this
    might be used by someone operating to Mexico City, for example."
    The A350-900
    is due to fly in mid-2012 - three months later than previously planned
    due to a hold-up in the completion of some of the structural design.
    Airbus does not expect this to impact the delivery schedule or the
    development timetable of the other variants.

    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/04/28/341139/airbus-focuses-on-family-commonality-as-it-begins-a350-800-detailed.html

    - 2 versions possible du -800 avec 75,000lb ou 79,000lb pour les aéroport high & hot (Mexico)
    - 460 km more range pour le -800 avec 259T de MTOW par rapport au -800 de 248T


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    Message par Beochien Mer 28 Avr 2010 - 16:04

    Merci Art-Way !

    Oui celà fait qq jours que ces infos tournent, et cela représente un sacré chop suey d'itérations pour l'instant !
    Bon, JLeahy en profite pour bien s'intercaler, et comme il posséde un avion, bien modulable et des moteurs largement dimensionnés, qui vont supporter toutes les nécessités, en jouant juste sur la programmation !
    Donc Airbus joue sur du velours, pour l'instant, quiqui n'en veut de mon A350, un petit tweak, et on vous arrange l'avion dont vous réviez !
    Il peut aller jusqu'à 15800 Km maintenant, Airbus, avec son 350-800! de quoi plaire au Quatar !
    Attention quand même de ne pas faire un avion pour chaque client !
    Et de rencontrer un problème de A380 à la sortie !

    Il y aura familles et sous familles pour le A350 !
    Alors que le 787, lui rétrécit sa gamme, avec son barrel non modulable !
    Chacun sa voie !

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    Message par macintosh Mer 28 Avr 2010 - 18:12

    Bonsoir,
    Beaucoup de news sur le 350XWB en ce moment... Concernant le -800, je suis un peu surpris que 11T d'augmentation de MTOW ne donne que 460km de range en plus... ou bien cela inclut-il l'augmentation de OEW déjà mentionnée par le passé ? J'avoue que j'ai un peu de mal à suivre.

    Sinon, un "franken-A340-300" va tester un panneau CRFP pour acquérir des données de test : sur un A343 de test, un panneau de 14m2 va être placé en remplacement du morceau de fuselage correspondant (Alu).

    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/04/28/341186/airbus-to-flight-test-xwb-carbonfibre-skin-panel-on-a340-this.html

    Approche intéressante pour tester les nouvelles technologies en matière de fuselage...
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    Message par Beochien Mer 28 Avr 2010 - 18:21

    Ca doit être les réservoirs "Standard" qui ne donnent pas plus !
    Et le reste ce sont qq tonnes d'emport en plus !
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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Jeu 29 Avr 2010 - 9:09

    Bonjour Macintosh

    Bcp de com autour de l'A350 en ce moment
    Le message est quand même :
    1) nous on teste nos solutions avant l'industrialisation et en vol s'il vous plait.

    En creux peut-on lire que le Full Barrel de Boeing va réserver des surprises au niveau confort acoustique ?
    A priori aucun moyen d'avoir testé la transmission des bruits avant les essais en vol...
    Il me semble que le bruit intérieur est un secteur dans lequel le 777 avait un cran de retard par rapport aux A330 ?

    Bonne journée


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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Jeu 29 Avr 2010 - 13:51

    Toujours des news de l'A350 XWB et notamment de l'accueil de la version -800 non optimisée

    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/04/29/341140/most-xwb-customers-endorse-a350-800-rethink-airbus.html


    Airbus acknowledges that the decision not to optimise the A350-800 and instead develop it as a shrink of the -900 does have a weight and fuel-burn penalty of "a few percent". However it denies that the decision to focus on range capability rather than optimum operating costs has irritated some customers wanting to use the aircraft on shorter routes.

    "The customers have mostly endorsed that decision [to create the -800 as a shrink of the -900]," says A350 chief engineer Gordon McConnell.

    Airbus presented the revised -800 to current and potential customers during April's annual A350 programme progress review in Nantes (Airbus says non-XWB-customer attendees included Air France, British Airways and Lufthansa).

    Flight International understands that some attendees have been unhappy with the plan to trade operating economics for range and lower ownership cost with the decision not to optimise the design of the -800 around reduced weights. Airbus denies this, although McConnell concedes that "trying to keep all the airlines happy at the same time is not easy".

    He says that Airbus has "to develop an aircraft that everyone wants" and points out that despite the -800's increased weights which boost range by 460km (250nm), it has retained the original basic weights "because they will be more interesting to airlines who are flying regional operations, and we'll probably offer some even lower take-off weights for customers with very short-range activities".

    Despite the fuel burn penalty, McConnell says that the A350-800 retains a very strong advantage in operating economics over the airframer's current long-range twin, the A330-200.

    "The A350-800 has got about 1,400nm [2,590km] more range with 30 more passengers, but it's burning less fuel too - over a 4,000nm [7,400km] mission the A350-800 burns around 23% less fuel [per seat] than an A330-200," McConnell says.

    He also dismisses the notion that the decision to revise the A350-800 into a heavier, longer-range aircraft could leave a niche open for the smaller, lighter A330-200. "The economics mean that once this aircraft is available, people will not probably chose to buy our A330-200 any more," he says.


    Donc sur 4000 Nm (un transatlantique par exemple) le gain par rapport à un A332 est de 23% sur le poste fioul.

    Pour rappel :


    Boeing claims a 20 per cent fuel burn advantage for the 787 over the 767 and an increased cruising speed of Mach 0.85
    Pris ici http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/07/07/209212/everything-about-the-boeing-787-dreamliner.html


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    Message par Beochien Jeu 29 Avr 2010 - 14:00

    Bonjour !

    Réactions mitigées, devant l'arbitrage d'airbus en faveur du 350-800 plus lourd et plus long range !
    La majorité des clients OK, les prochains clients Européens dubitatifs ...
    Je sens venir un jour une famille MC, plus franchement allégée, comme inprudemment annoncé il y à 2 ans ...
    On verra ... Smile

    --------------------- De Flightglobal -------------------

    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/04/29/341140/most-xwb-customers-endorse-a350-800-rethink-airbus.html

    'Most XWB customers' endorse A350-800 rethink: Airbus
    By Max Kingsley-Jones

    Airbus acknowledges that the decision not to optimise the A350-800 and instead develop it as a shrink of the -900 does have a weight and fuel-burn penalty of "a few percent". However it denies that the decision to focus on range capability rather than optimum operating costs has irritated some customers wanting to use the aircraft on shorter routes.

    "The customers have mostly endorsed that decision [to create the -800 as a shrink of the -900]," says A350 chief engineer Gordon McConnell.

    Airbus presented the revised -800 to current and potential customers during April's annual A350 programme progress review in Nantes (Airbus says non-XWB-customer attendees included Air France, British Airways and Lufthansa).

    Flight International understands that some attendees have been unhappy with the plan to trade operating economics for range and lower ownership cost with the decision not to optimise the design of the -800 around reduced weights. Airbus denies this, although McConnell concedes that "trying to keep all the airlines happy at the same time is not easy".

    He says that Airbus has "to develop an aircraft that everyone wants" and points out that despite the -800's increased weights which boost range by 460km (250nm), it has retained the original basic weights "because they will be more interesting to airlines who are flying regional operations, and we'll probably offer some even lower take-off weights for customers with very short-range activities".

    Despite the fuel burn penalty, McConnell says that the A350-800 retains a very strong advantage in operating economics over the airframer's current long-range twin, the A330-200.

    "The A350-800 has got about 1,400nm [2,590km] more range with 30 more passengers, but it's burning less fuel too - over a 4,000nm [7,400km] mission the A350-800 burns around 23% less fuel [per seat] than an A330-200," McConnell says.

    He also dismisses the notion that the decision to revise the A350-800 into a heavier, longer-range aircraft could leave a niche open for the smaller, lighter A330-200. "The economics mean that once this aircraft is available, people will not probably chose to buy our A330-200 any more," he says.

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    Message par Poncho (Admin) Jeu 29 Avr 2010 - 14:09

    Salut beochien

    Y a doublons Wink


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    Message par Beochien Jeu 29 Avr 2010 - 14:30

    Oui Désolé ... pour 9 minutes, j'éditais ... Embarassed

    A part cela la comparaison Apple to Apple, pour les consos .... Ce ne sera pas facile tant qu'on ne verra pas un 787 sur le même trajet qu'un A350 !
    Quel modèle de 330 200, avec quels moteurs, quelle génération de 767 etc quels moteurs, ... on à l'impression que les constructeurs ne veulent pas donner les fils pour recouper !
    Bien que les clients, doivent être informés avant de signer !


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